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Old 06-25-2009, 06:09 AM
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Default Question on asking my doctor to bump from 5g Androgel to 10g

I have been on 5g of Androgel for 4 weeks and felt great for 3 but this last week I feel just like I did before TRT. I have researched these forums to death and found that usually 5g of Androgel is usually not enough because your own testosterone gets shut down and then it's only the Androgel.

My doctor told me we would see if Androgel worked and told me to come back in 2 months for bloodwork. (I know 2 months is a whole lot of time for some people on this board.) Since I don't feel it working like it should and want to move to 10grams should I call his assistant and ask, or do I need to go in there to talk about moving up to him?
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Default Re: Question on asking my doctor to bump from 5g Androgel to 10g

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I have been on 5g of Androgel for 4 weeks and felt great for 3 but this last week I feel just like I did before TRT. I have researched these forums to death and found that usually 5g of Androgel is usually not enough because your own testosterone gets shut down and then it's only the Androgel.

My doctor told me we would see if Androgel worked and told me to come back in 2 months for bloodwork. (I know 2 months is a whole lot of time for some people on this board.) Since I don't feel it working like it should and want to move to 10grams should I call his assistant and ask, or do I need to go in there to talk about moving up to him?
At first try to have doc call in new prescription to pharmacy.

Usually if Androgel works, you will need 10grams/day

But you should also ask for HCG injections.
The longer you wait the more shutdown testis will be.
So when you eventually will get that HCG you will have another roller coaster to go thru.
No sense to put you thru something that is predictably bad.

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Default Re: Question on asking my doctor to bump from 5g Androgel to 10g

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At first try to have doc call in new prescription to pharmacy.

Usually if Androgel works, you will need 10grams/day

But you should also ask for HCG injections.
The longer you wait the more shutdown testis will be.
So when you eventually will get that HCG you will have another roller coaster to go thru.
No sense to put you thru something that is predictably bad.

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Shouldn't I wait to add in the HCG injections until I level out my T:E ratios from just straight androgel (arimidex) if need be after blood test?

So should I call him and tell his assistant I want to switch to 10g because I feel it's not working like it was the first 3 weeks and because 5grams doesn't work on most peoples reviews or do I need to go in for blood tests?

Thanks for the help!

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Default Re: Question on asking my doctor to bump from 5g Androgel to 10g

You need to go in for blood tests to see how you are responding. I also initially responded to Androgel for about a month, but then started feeling bad again. I did not absorb Androgel well at all and asked the doctor to switch me to Testim and got my total T up to 862 on 10 gm of Testim. you can see my story here:

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Right now I'm feeling great and have no ED on 7.5 gm of Testim and not using any progesterone or DHEA. Libido is great (wife says maybe too good ) and ED is gone. I will get tested next month to see where my total and free T, DHT, E2 and DHEA-S are.
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Default Re: Question on asking my doctor to bump from 5g Androgel to 10g

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You need to go in for blood tests to see how you are responding. I also initially responded to Androgel for about a month, but then started feeling bad again. I did not absorb Androgel well at all and asked the doctor to switch me to Testim and got my total T up to 862 on 10 gm of Testim. you can see my story here:

TRT Jungle - What to do now?????

Right now I'm feeling great and have no ED on 7.5 gm of Testim and not using any progesterone or DHEA. Libido is great (wife says maybe too good ) and ED is gone. I will get tested next month to see where my total and free T, DHT, E2 and DHEA-S are.
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Here is what happens when one starts on a low dose of gel 5 grams you start to feel better because on top of what your testosterone levels were when you started the gel brings your levels up higher then your brain sees this and slows down the LH and FSH messages sent to your testis to make more testosterone. So you can be left with a low level then you started with some men will start with a level of 350 the gel adds 200 so they feel good because there level is 550 the brain sees this and stops the LH and FSH and you can be left with just what the level the gel is doing 200 so your left with a lower level.

So I tell men to retest in 2 weeks and it use to say to do this in the insert that comes with the gel. If your levels fell then go up to 10 grams and retest in 8 weeks. Don't let your Dr. hold you down by making you wait 2 months this is a crime I have seen men start on gels and there Dr. told them to come back in 6 months this is done by a Dr. that is not up on TRT.

now if after you go up to 10 grams and your levels are still low and you don't feel good then your skin is not letting the gel into your blood so you need to switch to shots.

Don't add HCG until you get your Total and Free T levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs rang and you can keep your Estradiol down to about 20 pg/ml and your getting some good night time and morning wood. After you get leveled this way it will take some time for your body to undo the damage done by low T and everyday you will feel a little better. It's after you get leveled and are feeling dam good that you would add in 250 IU's of HCG every 3 days on gels.
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