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some people suffer signficant side effects and others don't--from the stimulants. I wish there were a way to know in advance who would suffer the side effects. Vforcer, I assume that you do not have ADHD and perhaps this may explain why you suffered the side effects. My old PCP used modafil while studying for his boards--he never acknowledged having ADHD. He had a great effect and began to use it an alternative to the stimulants with good results.
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some people suffer signficant side effects and others don't--from the stimulants. I wish there were a way to know in advance who would suffer the side effects. Vforcer, I assume that you do not have ADHD and perhaps this may explain why you suffered the side effects. My old PCP used modafil while studying for his boards--he never acknowledged having ADHD. He had a great effect and began to use it an alternative to the stimulants with good results.
Actually I have been diagnosed with mild ADD and Adderall worked pretty well at small doses of 5-10mg. The side effects that I receive at those doses are cold hands and feet, tension in the neck and shoulders, and a wired feeling in the brain.

I have recently tried Modafinal and it is much milder effect with the only noticable sides being a blood pressure and pulse rate increase and a possible rebound effect the next day resulting in a general lethargy. I have not used it enough to be definative on this. I am certain however about the bp and hr increase as I have tracked it with a bp monitor.

I personally am hypersensitive to stimulants. I can't drink even a diet coke after 6 pm or I will be up all night. I suppose it is due to a liver that poorly metabolises the caffeine.
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Actually I have been diagnosed with mild ADD and Adderall worked pretty well at small doses of 5-10mg. The side effects that I receive at those doses are cold hands and feet, tension in the neck and shoulders, and a wired feeling in the brain.

I have recently tried Modafinal and it is much milder effect with the only noticable sides being a blood pressure and pulse rate increase and a possible rebound effect the next day resulting in a general lethargy. I have not used it enough to be definative on this. I am certain however about the bp and hr increase as I have tracked it with a bp monitor.

I personally am hypersensitive to stimulants. I can't drink even a diet coke after 6 pm or I will be up all night. I suppose it is due to a liver that poorly metabolises the caffeine.

Last year, I used adrafinil to maintain focus while preparing for a very difficult professional certification exam. It's effect was startling-in a good way. The only downside was a very mild anxiety. I also have been dx'd with an attention deficit. As I understand it, the side effect profile for modafinil is even bettter than that for adrafinil.
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I can only speck for my self but when I went on a slow release Ritalin called Concerta. I felt engergetic no more fatigue and my brain fog was much better. Not hyper at all and I tried just pain Ritalin and it made me hyper and I had trouble sleeping on it. But the slow release Concerta is gereat it puts a little into the blood over a 12 hr. day.
I stand by what I feel about the use of Concerta have any of you tried this.
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Andrafinil is tough on the liver as well.
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Andrafinil is tough on the liver as well.

I wouldn't use it on an ongoing basis. In fact, my experience with stimulants was, for the most part negative, and so I wouldn't use any of them on anything other than a situational basis.
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Andrafinil is tough on the liver as well.

here again the results are individual. My liver has been fine while on Provigil for over two years. Your response to stimulants sound very "adrenal". Any dysfunction there?
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here again the results are individual. My liver has been fine while on Provigil for over two years. Your response to stimulants sound very "adrenal". Any dysfunction there?
Providgil/Modafinal is not hard on the liver, it is the better of the two drugs. Andrafinil is the one that should not be used on a regular daily basis as it is the one that is very tough on the liver. I would think intermittent use would be okay however.

Have you had any "rebound" effect the day after using Providgil. Specifically any groggyness, lack of motivation, or general lethargy?
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no rebound. no grogginess. Was the dose you tried too high?
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