Spikes in LH - MESO-Rx

hackskii · #1 (**permalink**) 03-23-2006, 02:38 PM

Anyone know when LH is highest during the day or night?

I have been using HCG for recovery to get off TRT and I notice I get more morning wood taking it in the late afternoon then in the morning.

Also for some reason I notice the testicles respond better at this time.

Anyone have any thoughts on this or noticed this too?

For some reason it seems to work better at night and I dont know why.

Natural test levels spike at around 7:00 in the morning, I wonder if LH is highest during sleep.

pmgamer18 · #2 (**permalink**) 03-23-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

Anyone know when LH is highest during the day or night?

I have been using HCG for recovery to get off TRT and I notice I get more morning wood taking it in the late afternoon then in the morning.

Also for some reason I notice the testicles respond better at this time.

Anyone have any thoughts on this or noticed this too?

For some reason it seems to work better at night and I dont know why.

Natural test levels spike at around 7:00 in the morning, I wonder if LH is highest during sleep.

I don't think you will have much of a level of LH or FSH comming off TRT and using HCG.

chap · #3 (**permalink**) 03-23-2006, 02:55 PM

I think studies showed that testosterone peaks at 6 hr and 17 hrs. after a single injection of hcg.

pmgamer18 · #4 (**permalink**) 03-23-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chap

I think studies showed that testosterone peaks at 6 hr and 17 hrs. after a single injection of hcg.

Yes but HCG will shut down LH the same as T will right.

chap · #5 (**permalink**) 03-23-2006, 03:23 PM

hcg will not directly shut down lh per se, but the hormones it stimulates will

pmgamer18 · #6 (**permalink**) 03-23-2006, 04:23 PM

You see to me trying to jump start ones self is like being between a rock and a hard place. I have been taken off T meds. 7 times one time it was for 6 months. Never got my T or LH and FSH to go up higher then my first blood test. But I feel that what your trying to do will not work unless you end up stoping everything so your body can try to go back to normal. So some where down the road you will need to stop doing anything that interfere with the hormone process.

chap · #7 (**permalink**) 03-23-2006, 04:31 PM

I agree with you except for the fact that as we age the body seems to like to slowly age and shut down on us unless we do some kind of intervention.... I'm just not sure that we have the knowledge and tools to do the perfect job yet.

Here is my 'theory' on the subject, just from reading and personal experiences, and may or may not be correct, but I am thinking that in cases where the testicles are still able to produce enough testosterone, that hcg is useful in providing a 'bridge' to get off of trt more naturally.... so running hcg for a week or two will allow the trt to clear and also will restore many other natural hormonal pathways. With hcg you are not doing anything to restore the hypothalmus or pituitary function though, so you must stop the hcg and use SERM's which stimulate and affect the hypothalmus and pituitary. I think the biggest problem with HCG is the spikes and valleys, which is still better than trt but getting natural pulsatile LH production going is still by far the best option if at all possible.

pmgamer18 · #8 (**permalink**) 03-23-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chap

I agree with you except for the fact that as we age the body seems to like to slowly age and shut down on us unless we do some kind of intervention.... I'm just not sure that we have the knowledge and tools to do the perfect job yet.

Here is my 'theory' on the subject, just from reading and personal experiences, and may or may not be correct, but I am thinking that in cases where the testicles are still able to produce enough testosterone, that hcg is useful in providing a 'bridge' to get off of trt more naturally.... so running hcg for a week or two will allow the trt to clear and also will restore many other natural hormonal pathways. With hcg you are not doing anything to restore the hypothalmus or pituitary function though, so you must stop the hcg and use SERM's which stimulate and affect the hypothalmus and pituitary. I think the biggest problem with HCG is the spikes and valleys, which is still better than trt but getting natural pulsatile LH production going is still by far the best option if at all possible.

Yes one has to go on and when I was taken off all my T meds Hell I could not get out of bed to get to work. So by doing HCG until all the T is gone sounds good but then you stop and do SERM's yet doing this does not mean your going to start to make T and you may never start. My levels just doing t shots were at 650 adding 500 IU's of HCG 3 x's a week. By the 15th shot my T levels went up to 1087. I am primary so where did the T come from this is the 64k question. Doing not TRT or HCG all I can do is 120 Total T so you can't tell me that my Testis make over 500 ng/dl of T. If they can't do it off meds then how are they going to do it adding HCG. So could it be some other glands that are making the T and in time forcing the T production will burn out these glands. No one and nothing I have read can say why my levels went this high just adding HCG.

chap · #9 (**permalink**) 03-23-2006, 04:46 PM

the testicles production of testosterone seems to be a delayed reaction sometimes, they get better at it with time and stimulation

pmgamer18 · #10 (**permalink**) 03-23-2006, 04:53 PM

Yep this was my thinking or I have a pituitary problem but had this checked with an MRI. I lowed my T shot a few weeks a go not a lot just from 64 mgs. every 3 days to 52 mgs. And in less then 10 days I crashed so I am not about to stop doing T shots to see if my Testis can hold up to making T just on HCG. At my age I am not going to mess around anymore life is to short. But if you guys figure this out then I am game.