Men's Health Forum: This is a discussion on Steroids and Sleep Apnea within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Any of you guys have trouble breathing lately. The use of higher levels of testosterone is supposed to be affiliated ...
Any of you guys have trouble breathing lately. The use of higher levels of testosterone is supposed to be affiliated with the thickening of some areas of the throat and sinus and contrbute to breathing difficulty. It just so happens I am now facing this issue for the first time. Does anyone have experience here. Perhaps if I back my Deca down a couple of thousand a week, this could help to resolve. Help please have not slept in days this is no fun.........
Yes, unfortunately testosterone has made my sleep apnea worse. I have to sleep on my side in order to breathe. Sometimes I wake up lying on my back gasping for air. I'm also unusually tired during the day lately. I'm thinking about getting sleep labs done and getting a CPAP machine. Not too thrilled with the idea.
If you're familiar with hunting, it's like a male deer during mating or "rutting" season. When his testosterone is high, his neck swells up.
You are prechin to the choir now. I just had a sleep lab done last week over this. The intensity of my current issue was a coincidence. THAT IS A SUPER INTERESTING ANALOGY with the deer. FURTHER, I can barely speak normally right now, and there is no PUS walkin straight around this house..... CPAP?? I am dreaming of gettting the call on a cancellation thus inviting me in to do my second sleep study night. I would get the CPAP tonight (this would be nice!!!!). I understand It will cost me about 700 out of pocket. Thats 80/20 plus any ded not yet incurrred. The device is apparently around 2K + change///..
FYI. This is a true nightmare I am living right now and I also have a thread going in the steroid section. There is more interesting info from others there too....
i have apnea as well and it's worsened with my longterm TRT, a friend uses the CPAP machine but i'm not sure if it's for me...i tend to toss n turn alot. otoh, there's a device they sell on infomercials that i'm very interested in yet cant recall the name of...it's basically a mouthpiece that makes ur lower jaw jut forward a certain amount as u sleep...it's supposed to pull away the part of neck muscle that relaxes most in apnea and thereby prevent the repeating closures. it's like $50 or so...
i REALLY appreciate your reminder on the mouthpiece. I will def let you know how it goes. As far as apnea. The device is def for me. I had seen my dad and others live with apnea and no device, so I have some idea what it looks like when I sleep. I have often in the past woken myself snoring, but never have I been awakend to a 160+ heart rate and haveing to start breathing a warp speed to get it down. (This is only my new deca situation.) IT MUST FEEL LIKE THIS TO DROWN. As far as CPAP goes and As far a the reality of having the unit I have found there are 3 types now. The original that is some kind of full mask, there is a new smaller one that simply surrounds the nose, and finally now there is some time the fits inside (custom) the nostrils. They say mostly room air with a little humidifier action to keep from drying your ass out. They also tol me that there are indeed quite a few X-LARGE guys that need the addition of some oxagen added. Probably O2 would not be necessary for someone of our profile. I am open to any of them if they will give me back myself. I am tired all time and they say this device will give you back your energy in the day!!!! this is why I had already been looking into it prior to these Deca episodes. One further note that kindof started all of this was that I went in to see an ear nose and throat specialist after all that hubbub about esophegeal cancer at a new rate of 400 times previous occurance. When he went in through my nose he gasped and asked me how I could ever breath with my septum so blasted otu of shape.!!! Needless to say he will be involved with all of this surgically as well, before all is said and done.
FInally, if you are ever arrested for ANYTHING and send to a dockett room for jailhouse processing . I cant emphasis this one enough, DONT SIT IN THE OPEN BENCH SEAT. This is when you will find a gentlemen setting next to you that will look somewhat suspicious. His partner (unbenounced to you), will be pacing the cell, and giving you nasty looks, until you finally feel that you have to exclaim "what the fuck are you looking a mutherfucker!?!?!" It is a this time the he will wheel his scrauny ass over too you with a stupid grin and get close enough that you can really see his crazy ass smile. He will more than likely be a gentleman of racial persuasion / denomination other than your own. Then you will say,,,, "WELL???" Then its lights out from that asshole sitting next you you with a really ugly elbow. I am sure this info can help someone here in the future.... and sure to get a GOOD CHUCKLE. I still laugh to myself. What a sucker/.
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Originally Posted by Jeton
i have apnea as well and it's worsened with my longterm TRT, a friend uses the CPAP machine but i'm not sure if it's for me...i tend to toss n turn alot. otoh, there's a device they sell on infomercials that i'm very interested in yet cant recall the name of...it's basically a mouthpiece that makes ur lower jaw jut forward a certain amount as u sleep...it's supposed to pull away the part of neck muscle that relaxes most in apnea and thereby prevent the repeating closures. it's like $50 or so...
i REALLY appreciate your reminder on the mouthpiece. I will def let you know how it goes. As far as apnea. The device is def for me. I had seen my dad and others live with apnea and no device, so I have some idea what it looks like when I sleep. I have often in the past woken myself snoring, but never have I been awakend to a 160+ heart rate and haveing to start breathing a warp speed to get it down. (This is only my new deca situation.) IT MUST FEEL LIKE THIS TO DROWN. As far as CPAP goes and As far a the reality of having the unit I have found there are 3 types now. The original that is some kind of full mask, there is a new smaller one that simply surrounds the nose, and finally now there is some time the fits inside (custom) the nostrils. They say mostly room air with a little humidifier action to keep from drying your ass out. They also tol me that there are indeed quite a few X-LARGE guys that need the addition of some oxagen added. Probably O2 would not be necessary for someone of our profile. I am open to any of them if they will give me back myself. I am tired all time and they say this device will give you back your energy in the day!!!! this is why I had already been looking into it prior to these Deca episodes. One further note that kindof started all of this was that I went in to see an ear nose and throat specialist after all that hubbub about esophegeal cancer at a new rate of 400 times previous occurance. When he went in through my nose he gasped and asked me how I could ever breath with my septum so blasted otu of shape.!!! Needless to say he will be involved with all of this surgically as well, before all is said and done.
FInally, if you are ever arrested for ANYTHING and send to a dockett room for jailhouse processing . I cant emphasis this one enough, DONT SIT IN THE OPEN BENCH SEAT. This is when you will find a gentlemen setting next to you that will look somewhat suspicious. His partner (unbenounced to you), will be pacing the cell, and giving you nasty looks, until you finally feel that you have to exclaim "what the fuck are you looking a mutherfucker!?!?!" It is a this time the he will wheel his scrauny ass over too you with a stupid grin and get close enough that you can really see his crazy ass smile. He will more than likely be a gentleman of racial persuasion / denomination other than your own. Then you will say,,,, "WELL???" Then its lights out from that asshole sitting next you you with a really ugly elbow. I am sure this info can help someone here in the future.... and sure to get a GOOD CHUCKLE. I still laugh to myself. What a sucker/.
nice coda!
seriously, thanks for the info on the various cpaps, besides apnea i also have mild copd and a highly distorted septum from repeated broken noses...i know exactly what u mean about waking up with a pounding heart and a sense of suffocation. in the last year i've found a lover i'm with almost every night, and at last have someone telling me what i'm like when i'm asleep..he describes episodes where my breathing gets shallower and shallower, then suddenly i start shaking and quivering, finally i gasp dramatically several times and then seem calm again....until it happens again hours later. rinse, repeat.
still trying to find a sleep clinic that takes Medicaid...
I wish you good luck and successful treatment, please let us know what ends up working...n keep ur chin up! with a heartrate that goes into burst mode, last thing u wanna add to that is any kind of panic...
Testosterone administration can cause sleep apnea to worsen or develop. It's also not always related to the thickining of the neck. It can also be attributed to what is known as central apnea. This is an apnea event where the body basically forgets to breath. It's a neurochemical problem that can happen from external testosterone administration.
For those of you that know you have sleep apnea and arent' on a CPAP your playing w/your life. It's very dangerous to have untreated sleep apnea. Here is a list of what will happen if you have sleep apnea as time goes on.
1. Insulin sensitivity
2. memory loss
3. fat gain
4. low testosterone
5 loss of libido/erections
6. heart trouble
I know all but the heart trouble but left untreated it's only a matter of time. Sleep apnea causes a hormonal cascade because of the constant waking and inablility to sleep through all stages. The pituitary LH/FSH secretion is disrupted as well as other hormones.
In regards to a CPAP DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT except a CPAP that constantly blows when you exhale. They make them that stop blowing for a split second as you exhale so you can breath out. This makes a huge difference in compliance. They always try and peddle this low in CPAP for the first one. Don't accept it. You will just be waisting your time and either stop using it upon the first week of getting it or be back getting the one you should have to begin with..
In regards to the mask. Get a full face mask. MOST people are mouth breathers. Just using nassal pillows will not work for the majority of people because they just open their mouth and breath through it which renders the CPAP useless. GET A FULL FACE MASK from the get go.
If you follow my advice I promise you will have a much better experience w/your sleep apnea. What I just told you was th sum of 9 years of trials for me.
Great info. I was not aware that the better ones "paused". I will be sure to ask. The set ups I am being quoted are $2-2500 including some start up goodies. Could you tell from the price as to which one I have been quoted??
I have 2 main concerns (other than living)... (a) I prey that I am not Klausterphoebic about the thing (did I even get close on spelling?) and (b) It seems like such a hard admission of the loss of any verility to admit to myself that i cant living anymore without being assisted to breath. Hows that for a mind breaker. I am guessing however, that once you have been on CPAP for a while and givin all these muscles and tissues a rest from the constant rattling, you could probably sleep without it again for a short while at least. anything to that???
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Originally Posted by pcgizzmo
Yes,
Testosterone administration can cause sleep apnea to worsen or develop. It's also not always related to the thickining of the neck. It can also be attributed to what is known as central apnea. This is an apnea event where the body basically forgets to breath. It's a neurochemical problem that can happen from external testosterone administration.
For those of you that know you have sleep apnea and arent' on a CPAP your playing w/your life. It's very dangerous to have untreated sleep apnea. Here is a list of what will happen if you have sleep apnea as time goes on.
1. Insulin sensitivity
2. memory loss
3. fat gain
4. low testosterone
5 loss of libido/erections
6. heart trouble
I know all but the heart trouble but left untreated it's only a matter of time. Sleep apnea causes a hormonal cascade because of the constant waking and inablility to sleep through all stages. The pituitary LH/FSH secretion is disrupted as well as other hormones.
In regards to a CPAP DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT except a CPAP that constantly blows when you exhale. They make them that stop blowing for a split second as you exhale so you can breath out. This makes a huge difference in compliance. They always try and peddle this low in CPAP for the first one. Don't accept it. You will just be waisting your time and either stop using it upon the first week of getting it or be back getting the one you should have to begin with..
In regards to the mask. Get a full face mask. MOST people are mouth breathers. Just using nassal pillows will not work for the majority of people because they just open their mouth and breath through it which renders the CPAP useless. GET A FULL FACE MASK from the get go.
If you follow my advice I promise you will have a much better experience w/your sleep apnea. What I just told you was th sum of 9 years of trials for me.
Great info. I was not aware that the better ones "paused". I will be sure to ask. The set ups I am being quoted are $2-2500 including some start up goodies. Could you tell from the price as to which one I have been quoted??
I have 2 main concerns (other than living)... (a) I prey that I am not Klausterphoebic about the thing (did I even get close on spelling?) and (b) It seems like such a hard admission of the loss of any verility to admit to myself that i cant living anymore without being assisted to breath. Hows that for a mind breaker. I am guessing however, that once you have been on CPAP for a while and givin all these muscles and tissues a rest from the constant rattling, you could probably sleep without it again for a short while at least. anything to that???
I can't tell from the price but the machine I have has what's called C-flex that is the feature that pauses. I think it's a Remstar Pro.
Don't worry about needing the assistance to breath. Lots of people has this issue. At least you are doing something about it. It's not just overweight people either. Bodybuidlers, Pro Football players and skinny women. Its very common.
I am able to take a nap w/out to much trouble but would never try to go a night w/out it. I am so attached to mine I miss it if I dont' have it on and have had it all over the world w/me when I travel.
I can't tell from the price but the machine I have has what's called C-flex that is the feature that pauses. I think it's a Remstar Pro.
Don't worry about needing the assistance to breath. Lots of people has this issue. At least you are doing something about it. It's not just overweight people either. Bodybuidlers, Pro Football players and skinny women. Its very common.
I am able to take a nap w/out to much trouble but would never try to go a night w/out it. I am so attached to mine I miss it if I dont' have it on and have had it all over the world w/me when I travel.
Paul
Remstar Pro is what mine is and it backs off the pressure when you exhale.
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