Men's Health Forum: This is a discussion on studies on hpta shut down against time/conc of trt within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; have there been any studies, or even anyone got any opinions, on the levels of hpta shut down with regards ...
Re: studies on hpta shut down against time/conc of trt
masterpp, are you just re-asking this how does the hpta work reworded in a different question?
I am aware of no study regarding your question. A good place to look would be www.pubmed.com or do a google search for the Journal of Endocrinology and pay them to do a search.
Everyone is different. Like I stated in the above post I shut down on 5g of Androgel after 3-4 days. I don't think it takes much to shut you down. It all depends on the person. Even if short term low dosage worked I think you would eventually shut down. The problem is that you will need a certain amount of T to get you into a benifical range. It would do no good to be sitting at say 400 and add a little T to bump to 450 or 500. You probably would not even notice the difference. It would be even worse if your T were lower than this at around 200-300. The amount of T you would need would almost certainly shut you down. We had discussed in the other post since your LH and FSH was so elevated you might be able to get by with low dosage substitution but I doubt it would work very long or get you to a level that would be benefical. The body is very adept at sensing external hormone replacment and almost always adjusts accordingly.
I hope you find what your are looking for. Why not just do TRT and be done w/it? I know it is not the same as being natural but it beats living w/low levels of T.
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basically the same question, yeah im afraid. i think im going to start trt/hcg. my hesitation for not just going ahead with it, is that ive been experiencing some testicular improvments due to a procedure i had, and im worried that hcg will not maintain the testicular improvments ive been experiencing, as its not as effective at stimulating the testicle cells as my own hpta.
however if hcg/trt does stimulate and promote the testicles, like the hpta does, leading to continued improvment, ill be on the trt/hcg in a flash.
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Originally Posted by masterpp
basically the same question, yeah im afraid. i think im going to start trt/hcg. my hesitation for not just going ahead with it, is that ive been experiencing some testicular improvments due to a procedure i had, and im worried that hcg will not maintain the testicular improvments ive been experiencing, as its not as effective at stimulating the testicle cells as my own hpta.
however if hcg/trt does stimulate and promote the testicles, like the hpta does, leading to continued improvment, ill be on the trt/hcg in a flash.
If your testis are getting better and your not feeling real bad and still can work or go to school don't do anything but blood tests every 4 weeks to see how things are doing. If your sick and feel like shit do try HCG it will shut down hpta but if your testis need a jump start try a short 4 week time of HCG doing 100 IU's a day. Test and if up real good stop and see if your testis kick in. Your HPTA will start back up if there is nothing wrong like Pituitary problems.
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Could even toss some clomid and nolvadex in there to prime the pituitary and hypothalamus.
Once the balls are online the HP will be supressed for a little while.
I myself feel it is the testicles that are the stumbling block to HPTA recovery. Well in my situation anyway.
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Could even toss some clomid and nolvadex in there to prime the pituitary and hypothalamus.
Once the balls are online the HP will be supressed for a little while.
I myself feel it is the testicles that are the stumbling block to HPTA recovery. Well in my situation anyway.
How is this. LH and FSH are gauged by what is in the blood and cells. If low then the Pituitary puts out more. If one has been on TRT for some time and stops the Pituitary is not sick will start back up sending LH and FSH to the body but to get the Testis to work from it is the problem.
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pmgamer, i dont think i can bear another summer with my sh%T physique, so i want to do trt.
at least fertility is no longer an issue, as my count is up in the millions (as opposed to the zero it was before my procedure). so ive definatly had gradual testicular improvments.
In your opinion, if i was to maintain optimum conditions for testicular regrowth, what dosage of hcg should i take.
(as an add in, i dont think my super elevated lh and fsh are optimum for testicular regrowth as they may be toooo high, as i believe that i have actually managed to somehow desensitise myself)- perhaps the controlled dosage of hcg, and the added testosterone environment surrounding the cells due to the gels, will provide possibly a more optimum and controlled environment. do you catch my drift.
I believe the optimum conditions for my testicular improvment would be an hcg range equivalent to that of a teenage boy (perhaps a little higher) and taking exogenous t to fill out the sertolis.
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Originally Posted by masterpp
pmgamer, i dont think i can bear another summer with my sh%T physique, so i want to do trt.
at least fertility is no longer an issue, as my count is up in the millions (as opposed to the zero it was before my procedure). so ive definatly had gradual testicular improvments.
In your opinion, if i was to maintain optimum conditions for testicular regrowth, what dosage of hcg should i take.
(as an add in, i dont think my super elevated lh and fsh are optimum for testicular regrowth as they may be toooo high, as i believe that i have actually managed to somehow desensitise myself)- perhaps the controlled dosage of hcg, and the added testosterone environment surrounding the cells due to the gels, will provide possibly a more optimum and controlled environment. do you catch my drift.
I believe the optimum conditions for my testicular improvment would be an hcg range equivalent to that of a teenage boy (perhaps a little higher) and taking exogenous t to fill out the sertolis.
what are your thoughts on my statements.
First get some of your sperm frozen for a back up. The read www.allthingsmale.com TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG Update and follow this. I feel this is the best TRT out there.
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