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David...These labs above are very interesting. Especially Lab2 that shows an increase in Total T.
Yes, hence the title of the thread.

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I'm going to give my guess at why the numbers worked out that way...Lab3 and lab4 show a higher proportion of E to T. I wouldn't place too much emphasis on this because when T levels are not optimal, then higher E2 can occur. Higher T levels, within the normal range, actually cause lower E2 levels to occur.
That's not been my experience. My T and E2 generally ride up and down together.

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"As testosterone levels sink in the male body, the aromatization of testosterone into estrogen increases, which further lowers testosterone" page. 79 "The Life Extension Revolution" - Dr. Philip Miller and the Life Extension Foundation.
I think this researcher is referring to the effect of andropause that occurs over years, rather than a short trial by someone on TRT and/or HCG such as I did with L-Arginine.

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"High levels of testosterone actually depress production of SHBG". page 53 "The Testosterone Syndrome" - by Dr. Eugene Shippen.
Please note that the entire quote is "...estrogen increases the body's production of SHBG. And high levels of testosterone actually depress production of SHBG." Note that both my T and E2 went up on L-A.

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So, it is not really the L-Arginine that caused more aromatization, but the level of testosterone at various times - either too high, or not high enough.
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