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Old 07-29-2008, 08:51 AM
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Hello there, I'm new here. I was told to come here from another board, a bodybuilding board. I'm obviously not a bodybuilder, but I wrote a book for women on nutritional ways to increase libido. I'm a huge proponent of high-dose fish oil. At the time I wrote my book a couple years ago, I had research showing fish oil increased dopamine, and of course fish oil improves circulation (including genital circulation), but I didn't have anything on testosterone or SHBG. I had other things in my diet for that, like zinc, but now I've got a question posted on my board from a reader wondering if there was any research, maybe something new that has come out showing fish oil helps free testosterone levels.

I know from the women on my diet that it must be doing something. One of the first tells is what I call "teenager hormones" where a woman's face and hair get much oilier, and that happens even with women who just take the high-dose fish oil alone and don't do the other things I recommend.

On the other bodybuilding board one poster said that there was a possible connection between lowered triglycerides being connected with higher T. Anybody have pubmed links? My book is already out, so this isn't me being lazy with research, I'm just curious and want to answer this poster.
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In clincal trials of blood testing so far out of the males tested every single males 20 have had elevated DHA/EPA in the blood in relationship to other EFA's. The reason that this may be happening is elevated nitric oxide. Actually alot of people that have had this imbalance also had low adrenal out put which leads to elevated nitric oxide. It may also be the reverse that elevated nitric oxide from the testosterone and enviromental estrogens could be at root cause. Vitamin B, zinc defieincy can also be caused by enviromenatal estrogens binding to the receptors. I have had several males on fish oils once stopping them they have more energy in months. It was not a psycho somatic repsonse as i changed one variable and 2 weeks later I followed up with possible results.
This is a new area of exploration that i am currently investigating. For males it seems to case on TRT reason why is only speculations, but simple changes had mad huge difference in men's life. I use evasive testing to help evaluate this. With after taking fish oils and just eating fish 2-3 times a week and follwoing given suggestion their levels are back in balance affecting rebalancing several hormones as well.

Reason why it works in women is that it helps decrease adrenaline and norephipherine resulting in a more ANS/PNS balance. Fish oils also help to lower cortisol levels. Women are more prone to adrenal burn out they men are. By keeping cortisol in check you keep thyroid, estrogen, insulin imbalnace.
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Thank you!

Do you have any research articles or doctors' names? More men than women have gone on my diet and started taking the very high-dose fish oil. Usually the libido response is pretty pronounced. I've also had women on TRT (for female sexual dysfunction reasons, not bodybuilding) respond very well to the fish oil.

Fish oil increases nitric oxide. I've found a couple studies showing that. I'm interested in EPA/DHA effect on SHBG or T. There's one rodent study showing an increase, but I'd like to see if there are human studies.
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Thank you!

Do you have any research articles or doctors' names? More men than women have gone on my diet and started taking the very high-dose fish oil. Usually the libido response is pretty pronounced. I've also had women on TRT (for female sexual dysfunction reasons, not bodybuilding) respond very well to the fish oil.

Fish oil increases nitric oxide. I've found a couple studies showing that. I'm interested in EPA/DHA effect on SHBG or T. There's one rodent study showing an increase, but I'd like to see if there are human studies.
No shit most men feel good because they eat like crap ,have insulin resistance, lack of excercise, over stressed, over worked resulting in excessive inflammation decreasing the EPA/AA ratio. Reason fish oils helps with testosterone is because it can increase it indirectly by helping to reduce the inuslin resistance. It also can increase testosterone because of lowering cortisol displacing it from the receptor which test and cortisol compete. By displacing cortisol from the receptor this increases free testosterone levels. IT all comes down to balance thats the key. Typical male not on TRT have high AA and low normal EPA. Dha does nothing for hormone system but more so implicated in the brain structure. EPA is just a regulator of inflammation and govenor of AA. Too much EPA lower AA which causes problem itself. The first thing I do is stabilize this level then back filling with parent EFA's
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Thanks for your help! I appreciate this.
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simple equation

Association of Bioavailable, Free, and Total Testosterone With Insulin Resistance: Influence of sex hormone-binding globulin and body fat -- Tsai et al. 27 (4): 861 -- Diabetes Care + Dietary (n-3) Long Chain Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids Prevent Sucrose-Induced Insulin Resistance in Rats -- Ghafoorunissa et al. 135 (11): 2634 -- Journal of Nutrition (if no elevated nitric oxide or possible low cortisol) + good exercise + moderate protein + moderate fat + low to moderate carb diet = BIG MORNING BONER (provided testosterone receptors are not to far gone)
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Women are a little more complicated--we also have to worry about dopamine and serotonin. Men do too, but to a lesser extent because they already have higher dopamine.
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...= BIG MORNING BONER

I laughed out loud at work when I read this. I like how you boil it down to only that which matters.

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I stopped Fish Oil I now eat the right kind of Fish to keep Omaga 3's up. I can say I feel much better so far. My wife is still taking it she says her Dr. put her on it to bring down Triglycerides I can't see how this works. I remember when he put her on it told her it helps with feelings of depression and fatigue.
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It is clinically used in depression why? because AA causes inflammation to the brain and fish oils balances it out. For some reason people produce more AA then other probably from their insulin resistance and excess insulin produced from shity ass life style and eating patterns.
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