Tests are in after starting Armour.

[pmgamer18]

I just got back from the Dr. went over my thyroid tests.
I don't understand this my levels except for TSH are lower then before starting Armour. No meds were taken before these tests.

Here are my tests before starting Isocort.
Labs date 07/12/06.
TSH = 2.939 range 0.4 - 4.7 uIU/mL
Free T4 = 0.91 range 0.71 - 2.23 ng/dl
Free T3 = 2.32 range 1.5 - 3.5 pg/mL
Morning Cortisol = 8.71 range 7.0 - 25.0 ug/kL
Fasting Glucose 65 range 65 -140 mg/dL

Labs date 08/17/06 after being on 8 pills of Isocort.
TSH = 2.558 range same as above.
Free T4 = 0.98 range same as above.
Free T3 = 2.87 range same as above.
Morning Cortisol = 11.5 range same as above.
Fasting Glucose = 70 range same as above.

Lab date 10/04/06 after starting Armour dose was 90ms.
TSH = 1.1834 range same as above.
Free T4 = 0.95 range same as above.
Free T3 = 2.62 range same as above.
Morning Cortisol = 9.85 range same as above.
Fasting Glucose = 105 range same as above.

My Total and Free T levels are to low doing 40mgs shots every 3 days and my joints and muscles are sore. So he told me to go up to 50mgs.
Also my E2 was 20 dam good but I am having a dam hard time staying there. When I lowered the T shot to 40 mgs. I can't keep my E2 in the zone this test was doing .25mgs every 3 days. But just after the test I went to low. So I went to .25 mgs every 5 days and went to high SOB this is hard I am up and down. So my Dr. feels doing 50mgs every 3 days will be just right.

[1cc]

I believe that when one takes Armour, then one's own production starts to go lower. One then needs to increase the Armour dose. That would explain why your Free thyroid hormones did not change much after supplementation. Speak to Chris Jackson about this. BTW, it is best to take your thyroid hormones before testing.

[pmgamer18]

I have to look into this Dr. said not to take it before a test. And I at stop the thyroid madness they say this.
"We have found it wise NOT to take our Armour before we do our scheduled labs. Why? Because the direct T3 peaks within a few hours after we take our Armour, causing our free T3 to look high and give a false impression of hyper."

I found it funny my cortisol test are about the same could be because Isocort works for about 4 hrs. I for got to put in my DHT it is right in the middle of the range now.

[1cc]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I found it funny my cortisol test are about the same could be because Isocort works for about 4 hrs. I for got to put in my DHT it is right in the middle of the range now.

Blood labs are no good for cortisol. Your fasting blood sugar is a bit high. Must be from the Isocort.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by 1cc

Blood labs are no good for cortisol. Your fasting blood sugar is a bit high. Must be from the Isocort.

Yes I know I was just testing it to see what happens. After being 60 I thought this was good for glucose. I feel low sugar wakes me up in the middle of he night. And it's not panic attacks.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by 1cc

I believe that when one takes Armour, then one's own production starts to go lower. One then needs to increase the Armour dose. That would explain why your Free thyroid hormones did not change much after supplementation. Speak to Chris Jackson about this. BTW, it is best to take your thyroid hormones before testing.

It would be good to clarify this issue.
When we take Testosterone supplementation, body adjusts and eventually only externally supplied testosterone is available, unless HCG is used. Not sure where balance is found in that case.

Now Thyroid, for long term, after balance is achieved, when using Armour, what is happening?
a. body produces as is used to, so we have net increase of available thyroid hormones
or
b. body's production shutdown, and only the externally supplied thyroid hormones are available

same for adrenals??

[farmerjohn]

I agree this is confusing. I always thought if hypothyroid the thyroid was basically making all it could make (similiar to being primary hypogonadal for the testicles) and TSH going higher was just more likely to enlarge the thyroid and cause other health issues since other cells are effected by TSH. Now is it possible taking thyroid meds causes the thryoid to make less by reducing TSH essentially shutting down the thyroid like the testicles will do? This is makes it seem more like a secondary thyroid issue than a primary one which what I thought all cases were previously.

[magic8989]

Adding to the fact that your TSH is lower than before this probably contributed to your lower free T4 and T3. Looks like you might have to increase the armour. As far as the glucose maybe the isocort has brought your cortisol up too high and this impacted blood glucose since blood cortisol is not a reliable test?

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by magic8989

Adding to the fact that your TSH is lower than before this probably contributed to your lower free T4 and T3. Looks like you might have to increase the armour. As far as the glucose maybe the isocort has brought your cortisol up too high and this impacted blood glucose since blood cortisol is not a reliable test?

The way I understand this as you get to the proper dose of armour your TSH will be way down and your meds will be keeping your levels up much like adding T and your LH going down. It's hard to say about higher cortisol levels I am reading the book Safe Uses for Cortisol and the only then that is bad is if your cortisol levels are over 30 then your adrenals shut down. Low cortisol levels can cause low sugar and taking it helps. There is no way 8 pills of Isocort = 20 mg. of cortisol is to much. My Glucose is not high 105 the top of the range is 140 it is just right.

[1cc]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Now Thyroid, for long term, after balance is achieved, when using Armour, what is happening?
a. body produces as is used to, so we have net increase of available thyroid hormones
or
b. body's production shutdown, and only the externally supplied thyroid hormones are available

I'm not sure about this myself. That is what I was told, but I have not verified this.