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Originally Posted by Megazoid I am still waiting on getting back the results from my test's both in the states and here in the UK. Only one thing has been on my mind since seeing Marianco is the whole T4 only vs Armour thyroid thing.
I posted a few times over at stopthethyroidmadness website and literally everyone is against the T4 only drugs like levothyroxine. Dr M prescribed me levothyroxine but with so much negative press about it i feel Armour would be a better option? I trust Dr M a great deal, he's the world's leading hormone doctor so i know i should trust his judgment but it's really difficult to truelly decide what to do. i know there must be a reason for putting me on this but why would adrenals be of concern if i am running it alongside prednisone?
I feel i truelly need to start making thing's better instead of worse because my skin, libido, ed and joints are all getting worse instead of better and it's quite a scary experience.
I sent Dr M an email but he's most likely busy right now so i am still awaiting his opinion on this. |
EAch time I've trying armour I feel like a shit, my adrenal go down depiste HC. I've hypothyroidism since 15 year's ago. I like synthetic T4. I take 150 mcg with a small dose OF 5 mcg of T3 (read the book of Ken Blanchard (What About Ken Blanchard recommending that people stay on 98%T4 and 2%T3 meds) To much T3 from armour kill your body definition (high renin, kill adrenal, make you anxious, depressed, fatigued and deplete your muscle mass).
Thyroid Deficiency Strikes One in Six
Hypothyroidism is the most common of all the “hormone diseases,” yet most people who have it are unaware. The
test for this deficiency is simple and almost painless, and the treatment is effective, safe, and inexpensive. Left unattended, a subtle malfunction could mean heart disease and an earlier death. With only a slight decrease in thyroid hormone activity there are no symptoms; however, because this gland affects the function of almost every tissue in the body, severe deficiency can cause coma with multisystem failure.
Hypothyroidism can be the result of iodine deficiency, medications, surgery, and radiation, but the most common cause in Western populations is a person’s own immune system attacking his own thyroid gland. The inflammatory process is known as autoimmune thyroiditis (also called Hashimoto’s thyroiditis after the doctor who first described the condition in 1912). The results: 5-15% of the general population, and as many as 20% of women, middle aged and older, have a noticeable loss of thyroid function. The cause is considered to be unknown, but as with other autoimmune diseases (type-1 diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, etc.), the rich Western diet is the likely source. (The immune system is tricked by animal proteins that people consume to attack their pancreas, joints, brain, thyroid and other tissues by a process known as molecular mimicry.)
Diagnosis by a Simple Blood
Test
Hypothyroidism may be suspected when people complain of fatigue, weight gain, depression, slow mental processing, muscle weakness, constipation, and/or feeling cold. However, these are symptoms commonly seen with other conditions, including generally poor health. Because the presentation is so nonspecific, anyone who does not feel well should automatically have their thyroid status checked.
Hypothyroidism is diagnosed by measuring a hormone produced by the pituitary gland, called thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH). As the name implies, this hormone stimulates the thyroid to synthesize more hormones—and when the thyroid gland fails to respond as directed, then more stimulating hormone is released in an attempt to correct the deficiency. Thus an elevation of TSH means hypothyroidism. Normal TSH levels are generally considered between 0.4 and 4.0 mU/L. Some authorities recommend lowering the upper limits of normal to 2.5 mU/L, because levels higher than this could mean more heart disease.1a
Before committing someone to a lifetime of thyroid replacement therapy (pills), the TSH level should be repeated—after all, the laboratory instruments could have been incorrectly calibrated that day or your specimen could have been mixed up with someone else’s.
Treatment of Hypothyroidism
For most otherwise healthy adults with hypothyroidism, the initial dose of thyroid replacement should be an amount equivalent to 0.125 mg daily of levothyroxine. Lower starting doses may be necessary for people with severe coronary artery disease. TSH levels should be monitored every 4 to 6 weeks and appropriate adjustments in dose made based on results. Using the results from blood tests, I try to keep the TSH levels of my patients between 0.5 and 2.0 mU/L.1a Once the correct dose is determined, then the TSH level should be checked annually, unless the patient’s health suggests otherwise. Even though treatment may seem simple, about one-fifth of patients receive too little and one-fifth receive too much replacement with thyroid medication.
Common Supplements
(Cost of 90 pills with a potency equal to 0.125 mg levothyroxine)
Armour Thyroid is an extract made from dried pig thyroid glands ($21.99)
Thyrolar is synthetic product combining triiodothyronine (T3) and levothyroxine (T4) ($64.99)
Synthroid is the most popular brand of synthetic levothyroxine (82% of the market) ($39.97)
Levoxyl is a generic brand of synthetic levothyroxine ($27.97)
Levothroid is a generic brand of synthetic levothyroxine (26.97)
Unithroid is a generic brand of synthetic levothyroxine ($24.99)
Cytomel is synthetic triiodothyronine (rarely used alone to treat hypothyroidism)
Generic brands of levothyroxine and Synthroid all work equally well.1
Should Mild Hypothyroidism Be Treated?
Most doctors believe that slight decreases in thyroid hormone production, seen by an increase in TSH level into the range of 2.5 mU/L to10 mU/L, should be left untreated.2 However, I hold a “minority opinion” on this issue and often recommend treatment for these laboratory results for several reasons. Many people with a mild elevation of TSH go on to develop definite hypothyroidism—early supplementation will prevent them from becoming clinically hypothyroid, if and when their condition progresses. Treatment of mild deficiency has been shown to relieve troublesome symptoms, like fatigue and muscle dysfunction, and improve mental performance. 3,4
However, the most important reason that I treat mild elevations of TSH is to reduce the risk of future coronary artery (heart) disease. People with elevated TSH levels have higher cholesterol levels and treatment with thyroid hormone supplements will lower their total and LDL cholesterol levels.3,4 This elevation of cholesterol associated with a slightly higher TSH level translates into an increased risk of heart disease due to blocked coronary arteries.5 Treatment has been found to reduce thickenings in the walls of the arteries—a condition associated with a higher risk of heart attacks and strokes.6 Mild hypothyroidism is associated with an increased risk of congestive heart failure among older adults.7 Finally, the overall risk of death may be increased by a mild decrease in thyroid activity as reflected in a slight elevation of TSH.5
Is levothyroxine alone sufficient treatment?
It has been claimed that patients with hypothyroidism show greater improvements in mood and brain function if they receive treatment with Armour thyroid rather than Synthroid (levothyroxine).8 This conclusion is based on a 1999 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine that actually tested a synthetic mixture of levothyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3), rather the pig-derived Armour preparation.9 The study showed some of the measures for mental performance, mood and physical status were improved in people taking the combination of both forms of thyroid hormone, rather than the single hormone, levothyroxine. Such a revelation caused quite a stir in the medical community because doctors are traditionally taught that using levothyroxine alone is the best way to treat hypothyroidism.
In response, several studies were performed to try to verify these findings. Contrary to the New England Journal of Medicine study, each of the newer studies failed to find an improvement in mood or mental performance with the combination over single hormone therapy.1a, 10-15 One study reported a higher risk of overdosing patients—causing hyperthyroidism accompanied by feelings of impaired well-being—due to the fast-acting T3 mixed in with the preparation.11 Considering all of the research to date, levothyroxine (the single hormone) alone should remain the treatment of choice for replacement therapy of hypothyroidism.14 (There is some pharmaceutical industry money funding this conclusion, so as always, I reserve my right to change my opinion on drug therapy.)
Some of the reasons for caution are because of its quick onset and short duration of action T3 can cause rapid and irregular heartbeats and be difficult to monitor. All of the T3 we require is naturally produced in our body from T4—the tissues slowly and safely make a metabolic conversion of some of the T4 to T3.
Animal Extracts May Not Be Safe
Many patients I see express a desire for “natural therapies.” Therefore, it should be no surprise to hear that they want to avoid taking synthetic thyroid (levothyroxine); and instead request a “natural” preparation, like the Armour brand. Extracts made from the glands of animals contain several forms of the thyroid molecule, including T3 and T4—and some doctors consider this an advantage, while most research does not support this viewpoint.
The original treatment of hypothyroidism developed back in 1891 was made from extracts from the thyroid glands of sheep. Since then the desiccated glands of other animals, including cows and pigs, have been used. The process of making this medication begins with removing the animal’s thyroid gland, then drying it, and finally grinding it into a powder. Because of variations in concentrations of active hormones in the animal’s glandular tissues the potency of the preparations can vary greatly—people have developed serious side effects from natural thyroid products that contained greater-than-expected amounts of T3. Because of the “foreign” animal tissues used natural thyroid supplements can also cause “allergic-type” reactions, especially in people known to be allergic to animal proteins.
One potential problem that has received no serious investigation is the risk of contracting infection from consuming glandular tissues in pill-form. Much work has been done showing animal-borne microbes can be spread to people by eating animals as food16,17—and there is every reason to believe the same can occur when dried animal tissues sold as medications are consumed. Cancer, including leukemia, viruses and AIDS-like viruses are commonly found in cows and pigs.18-,19 These viruses are known to infect people.20 Could these supplements be an unintended media for the spread of prion-based brain diseases, like mad cow disease? There are many reasons to believe that this is a real risk.21,22
The deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu has recently been found in pig populations.23 History may be repeating itself. The deadly human influenza virus of 1918 that killed more than 20 million people worldwide was a mutation of a swine flu virus that evolved from American pigs and was spread around the world by US troops.24
Since there has been essentially no effort by the livestock industry in most (but not all) countries to clean up their animals, hundreds of different kinds of infectious microbes are being consumed by billions of people. Therefore, to protect yourself and family there is every good reason to not eat these animals and their byproducts, including glandular extracts, like “natural” thyroid extract. (For more information see my February 2004 newsletter article: Widespread Infection with Leukemia Virus from Meat and Milk.)
Overdosing By Self-medicating and the “Natural” Doctor
In my practice I often see patients who are taking an overdose of thyroid medication. They may be self-medicating in hopes of feeling more energetic or losing weight effortlessly. Another real possibility is their doctor, often referred to as “alternative, holistic, and/or complementary,” prescribes a supraphysiologic dose to treat various ailments, such as chronic fatigue syndrome or arthritis.
In actual practice, people almost never require more than 0.2 mg of levothyroxine (equal to about 2 grains of thyroid extract). In addition to failing to resolve health and weight problems, too much thyroid can result in bone loss and heart arrhythmias.25,26
A Change in Diet Will Not Correct Hypothyroidism
Once the thyroid tissue is destroyed it will not regrow and I know of no way to stimulate the remaining gland to work harder. Many people ask if avoiding cruciferous vegetable foods or taking extra iodine will cure their thyroid condition. Compounds in plant foods, like cabbage, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, millet and soy have antithyroid effects. These foods are referred to as goitrogenic foods because theoretically they can lead to a condition of low thyroid with an associated gland enlargement, called a goiter. Supplementation with iodine completely reverses the goitrogenic influence of any vegetables. (Incidentally, these same foods have compounds that protect against thyroid cancer.27)
There is no harm in trying to improve your thyroid function by avoiding cruciferous vegetables, soy and millet, and/or adding more iodine (like from sea vegetables) to your diet, but my experience has been that this effort will make no difference. Let me know if you find otherwise.
Simple, Safe, Effective Medical Care
Part of the routine evaluation of all of my patients is a check of their thyroid status. If their TSH levels are above 3 mU/L (after two separate tests), then I consider recommending supplementation with levothyroxine. I lean more towards treatment the higher the TSH level (the more severe the hypothyroidism). Also, if they have a higher risk for heart disease, then I am more inclined to recommend treatment.
Even though I have not found the benefits to be great, I am sometimes persuaded to treat when weight loss or fatigue is the patient’s concern, and they also have a slightly abnormal TSH level. Other times, when the decision to treat a slightly abnormal TSH levels is not straight-forward, I may suggest a six month trial on thyroid and look for subjective (feelings of well-being) and objective (lower cholesterol) improvements.
Thyroid supplementation is one of the very few treatments I commonly prescribe. (See my November 2004 newsletter for a more complete list of McDougall-used medications.) For my patients with a damaged thyroid gland, correcting hypothyroidism with the right amount of levothyroxine can be an inexpensive medical miracle without side effects.
References:
1a: Spencer CA. Demers LM. LMPG: Laboratory Support for the Diagnosis and Monitoring of Thyroid Disease (Published Guidelines):
http://www.nacb.org/lmpg/thyroid/3c_thyroid.doc
1) Dong BJ, Hauck WW, Gambertoglio JG, Gee L, White JR, Bubp JL, Greenspan FS. Bioequivalence of generic and brand-name levothyroxine products in the treatment of hypothyroidism. JAMA. 1997 Apr 16;277(15):1205-13.
2) Crapo LM. Subclinical hypothyroidism and cardiovascular disease. Arch Intern Med. 2005 Nov 28;165(21):2451-2.
3) Roberts CG, Ladenson PW. Hypothyroidism. Lancet. 2004 Mar 6;363(9411):793-803.
4) Ayala AR, Wartofsky L.The case for more aggressive screening and treatment of mild thyroid failure. Cleve Clin J Med. 2002 Apr;69(4):313-20.
5) Imaizumi M, Akahoshi M, Ichimaru S, Nakashima E, Hida A, Soda M, Usa T, Ashizawa K, Yokoyama N, Maeda R, Nagataki S, Eguchi K. Risk for ischemic heart disease and all-cause mortality in subclinical hypothyroidism. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Jul;89(7):3365-70.
6) Monzani F, Caraccio N, Kozakowa M, Dardano A, Vittone F, Virdis A, Taddei S, Palombo C, Ferrannini E. Effect of levothyroxine replacement on lipid profile and intima-media thickness in subclinical hypothyroidism: a double-blind, placebo- controlled study. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 May;89(5):2099-106.
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8) Use Armour thyroid rather than Synthroid:
http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/armour_thyroid.htm
9) Bunevicius R, Kazanavicius G, Zalinkevicius R, Prange AJ Jr. Effects of thyroxine as compared with thyroxine plus triiodothyronine in patients with hypothyroidism. N Engl J Med. 1999 Feb 11;340(6):424-9.
10) Escobar-Morreale HF, Botella-Carretero JI, Gomez-Bueno M, Galan JM, Barrios V, Sancho J. Thyroid hormone replacement therapy in primary hypothyroidism: a randomized trial comparing L-thyroxine plus liothyronine with L-thyroxine alone. Ann Intern Med. 2005 Mar 15;142(6):412-24. (Merck sponsored).
11) Siegmund W, Spieker K, Weike AI, Giessmann T, Modess C, Dabers T, Kirsch G, Sanger E, Engel G, Hamm AO, Nauck M, Meng W. Replacement therapy with levothyroxine plus triiodothyronine (bioavailable molar ratio 14 : 1) is not superior to thyroxine alone to improve well-being and cognitive performance in hypothyroidism. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 2004 Jun;60(6):750-7. (No sponsor listed)
12) Clyde PW, Harari AE, Getka EJ, Shakir KM. Combined levothyroxine plus liothyronine compared with levothyroxine alone in primary hypothyroidism: a randomized controlled trial. JAMA. 2003 Dec 10;290(22):2952-8. (Sponsor, National Naval Medical Center)
13) Sawka AM, Gerstein HC, Marriott MJ, MacQueen GM, Joffe RT. Does a combination regimen of thyroxine (T4) and 3,5,3'-triiodothyronine improve depressive symptoms better than T4 alone in patients with hypothyroidism? Results of a double-blind, randomized, controlled trial. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Oct;88(10):4551-5. (Sponsored by Aventis)
14) Escobar-Morreale HF, Botella-Carretero JI, Escobar del Rey F, Morreale de Escobar G. REVIEW: Treatment of hypothyroidism with combinations of levothyroxine plus liothyronine. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Aug;90(8):4946-54 (Sponsored by University Grants)
15) Walsh JP, Shiels L, Lim EM, Bhagat CI, Ward LC, Stuckey BG, Dhaliwal SS, Chew GT, Bhagat MC, Cussons AJ. Combined thyroxine/liothyronine treatment does not improve well-being, quality of life, or cognitive function compared to thyroxine alone: a randomized controlled trial in patients with primary hypothyroidism. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Oct;88(10):4543-50. (Sponsored by Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital Research Foundation)
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18) Burny A, Cleuter Y, Kettmann R, Mammerickx M, Marbaix G, Portetelle D, van den Broeke A, Willems L, Thomas R. Bovine leukaemia: facts and hypotheses derived from the study of an infectious cancer. Vet Microbiol. 1988 Jul;17(3):197-218.
19) Randal J. Xenografts raise questions about cancer virus transfer to humans. J Natl Cancer Inst. 1998 Feb 18;90(4):264-5.
20) Buehring GC, Philpott SM, Choi KY. Humans have antibodies reactive with Bovine leukemia virus. AIDS Res Hum Retroviruses. 2003 Dec;19(12):1105-13.
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24) Pigs carried 1918 flu:
http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/032197/1918flu.htm
25) Quan ML, Pasieka JL, Rorstad O. Bone mineral density in well-differentiated thyroid cancer patients treated with suppressive thyroxine: a systematic overview of the literature. J Surg Oncol. 2002 Jan;79(1):62-9.
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