Tried to stop TRT w/ Nolvadex, mad problems

[Humanzee]

Here is what I did.

August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%, 100mg daily.

Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a lil hair, and libido is gone).

October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg, daily.

October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg, daily.

October 11: Stopped everything.

Test: Natural prior to TRT
Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068, 07/10/09 = 792.
Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09, 07/10/09 = 1.89
Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2, 07/10/09 = 149.7

Test: After Nolvadex and use of TRT (see timeline):
Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989, 10/14/09 = 1106
Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08, 10/14/09 = 2.01
Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7, 10/14/09 = 222.3


Estradiol (I don't have a natural baseline):
Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83, October 14 = 0.89.
Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52, October 14 = 2.33
Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33, October 14 = 38

LH
Natural Level: 04/01/09 = 3.7
After TRT & Nolvadex: 10/14/09 = 10.9

IGF-1
Natural Level: 04/01/09 = 238
After TRT & Nolvadex: 10/14/09 = 235

Other Tests that show a large difference:
AST (natural): 04/01/09 = 29
AST (after Nolva & TRT) = 10/14/09 = 18
ALT (natural): 04/01/09 = 21
ALT (after Nolva & TRT) = 10/14/09 = 9
DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09 = 413, 10/14/09 = 255


Everything else tested looks the same. The only big difference is the LH. The Nolvadex must have skyrockted it. I'll have more bloodwork done in a month.

I'm slowly feeling a little better. Libido is coming back slowly. I am thinking that was just a common side effect of the Nolva. I am worried about the LH, I am worried about having a negative feedback since it has risen dramatically.

The TRT Doc told me to continue without nothing (don't want to touch anything again) and wants to see me in a month.

What do you guys think led to my loss of libido, depression and fatigue? I was completely healthy prior to TRT (dumb mistake, I know).

Thanks again!

[AlexanderDenmark]

Why did you go on TRT with test of 792? That's a perfect level.

[HeadDoc]

take a look here and read up on some of the related articles by the same author at the same site.

Clomid, Nolvadex, and Testosterone Stimulation | Mind and Muscle

[Humanzee]

I know I shouldn't have gone on TRT, I made a mistake. I thought I could cycle it.

Anyhow, those were some good articles.

I am not happy with my visit to the TRT doc, so I am going to an endo.

I am worried about the large rise in LH. I believe if you want to stop TRT, you don't need a PCT (like I tried).

In regards to libido problems, is it possible I may have to much prolactin in my blood? After I had the bloodwork done, it seemed to help me with my libido (its coming back slowllyyyy). My estorgen is a little high, but I don't feel any effects from it. nor have a baseline reading of it.

I'll go to the Endo, the TRT doc just doesn't seem qualified.

As of today, I still feel very fatigued and depressed. Its been about two weeks since I stopped everything. (see schedule). I am hoping time will cure this. I was very healthy prior to starting TRT and Nolva, I'm 26. From all my research it just looks like time is all I need at this point and getting back to working out should help.

[Humanzee]

Any other advice?

[zkt]

yea, you shut your balls down:
LH
Natural Level: 04/01/09 = 3.7
After TRT & Nolvadex: 10/14/09 = 10.9

You didnt do TRT, you did a cycle.
You missed the days when "here take this" was a good thing.

[Humanzee]

So what now?

[Humanzee]

I saw the Endo Doc gave me some bloodwork to do in a month.

I don't think my Nat. T production has stopped, maybe it is slowed down, but I have (had) elevated LH, so that may be keeping it high for the time being.

I think the libido problems were prolactin related.

Thx everyone.

Marc