Ultra H.O.T. Information

[Vforcer2]

I found the results on the test subjects to be quite amazing. The only problem I have had in the use of this product is it seems to be a little imbalanced in that it
stimulates Tproduction in an amazing way, but at the same time it drops E2 too low. I think Author L. Rea is reformulating it at the present time.

[pmgamer18]

I don't think there is any right dose to keep E2 normal in a man. What works for one may be to strong for the other. Best thing to do is cut the dose until you feel your in the zone.
Phil

[Vforcer2]

Hi Phil,

What I meant was that the ULTRA HOT was incredible at boosting T to superphysiological levels, but at the same time tended to bring the E2 to low in most of the men tested. I took 3 caps a night while on HRT and it brought my E2 down to 17 which made my Libido drop fairly significantly. It is not that I couldn't have sex......i just wasn't interested............for the very first time since before puberty!

[pmgamer18]

I did the same thing using Arimidex and not long after that I found this link.
http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBo...stosterone.htm
Most men on or not on TRT will get higher levels of Total and Free T getting there E2 down.
My Dr. has had good luck in getting older mens levels of T up with out putting them on TRT. He checks first there T and E2 levels and if there E2 is to high he puts them on Arimidex and Indolplex/DIM and when they are checked again there levels have gone up 200 - 400 not doing TRT.
My Free T was never very good until I got me E2 normal.
Phil

[DavidZ]

This product looks very interesting. If it works as advertised, could someone with secondary hypogonadism use it instead of TRT or HCG?

[HeadDoc]

I would be looking for a heck of alot more data before using this. I hope all these volunteers are under medical supervision---unless of course I had just 6 weeks to live.

[DavidZ]

Originally Posted by HeadDoc

I would be looking for a heck of alot more data before using this. I hope all these volunteers are under medical supervision---unless of course I had just 6 weeks to live.

It would be simple enough to run your own 4 to 6 week trial on this stuff with blood tests at the end. However, with regard to long-term safety issues, that's quite a different story...

[HeadDoc]

why would anyone doing HRT/TRT use something that has been sampled on only a few individuals, over such a short period, under such limited testing (i.e. blood work). Someone let the snake oil salesman in the door.

Did you know that Bill Wilson, the co-founder of AA, bought Tim Leary's hype on the spiritual enhancement value of LSD. When Bill began to use LSD and brag about it, he was banned from the organization he founded. Later he admitted his error and was allowed to start sobriety all over again.

[DavidZ]

Undoubtedly, men will try this stuff, regardless of the risks. I'm interested in hearing about their results.

A smart man learns from his experience. A wise man learns from other people's experience.

[Vforcer2]

Yes, long term safty issues as well as adverse effects/reactions have been a concern of mine as well with this product. Author Rea (developer and chemist specializing in androgens) does claim to test the compounds in his lab for three years prior to release, though I am sure not long term human trials exist. The product is meant to be cycled and not used for more than 8 weeks at a time.

Off subject a little,
Author dissagrees regarding use of Testosterone Esters without cycling. He says it is important for the testicals to regain some of thier natural use for a small period of time and that prolonged shut down is not good. He also
disagrees with long term HCG usage (the two day per week protocol) during HRT because he feels it can cause desensitization of the Leydig cells.

I am in the middle of the fence here with no specific opinion on either. I good number of HRT docs do recommend cycling T, for instance 12 weeks on, 4 weeks off. I spoke to a really nice Dr. at the Centeginics Medical Institute and he said that a guy my age (39) had no business injecting T as HCG administration was all I needed at this stage in my life. He said T usage would be of benefit later on as I became older however.

So many varying opinions in this new area of medicine! What to do?

[SWALE]

What these docs who say TRT should be "cycled" miss is that the body thrives on regularity. This is a fact which simply cannot be discounted. Cycling TRT is ridiculous. And regular use of HCG provides precisely what they think intermittent breaks from TRT does (stimulation of the testes)--except it actually works.

If you are going to "cycle", then you must go off for at least two months. Pick the two months each year you want to feel lousy, while simultaneously damaging your health. Four weeks does not recover the system. And if they are using Clomid and/or HCG during that time, then the system is not "recovering"--it is being supported by the medications. Most of the "cyclers" use HCG during that four weeks. So if you are going to use it during the break, why not use it all the time? Isn't it better to keep the horse in the barn, instead of letting him out, and having to chase him across four counties. See? This strategy makes absolutely no sense.

Regular use of low-dose HCG constanlty stimulates the body where LH normally did. Does anyone really want to make the arguement that it is better to leave these receptors dormant for months at a itme, then all of a sudden stimulate with HCG for a short period? Does that make sense to anyone?

There is no evidence whatsoever that APPROPRIATE dosing of HCG causes desensitization. In fact, exactly the opposite is true.

200-400ng/dL is still being sick with hypogonadism, IMPO. You guys be the judge.

I do not concur with the TRT practices at Cenegenics.

The professional opinions you mention are not based upon much consideration for the true nature of the hormonal system, or the actions of the medications involved. If anyone thinks they can poke holes in my logic, they are welcome to try. Such critique presents the opportunity to further hone the protocols, while simultaneously shedding light on the folly of those who are still in the shadows.

[bullmastiff]

From what I've read about this product it seems as if it works like clomid except it also has a week androgen that blocks the pituitary from recognizing
testosterone in the body. How do we know if the weak androgen also occupies
other testosterone receptors ? Therefore you may have all this testosterone
floating around in your body with no place to dock. If this is the case than the
the high T may be doing nothing of real value. Just a thought to ponder.

[HeadDoc]

actually the aromatase enzyme exists in more places than in the cns. Like around your belly. So all this free floating test may be of no or even negative value. Then again, what type of test: total, free, bioavailable? Until there is some systematic replication of these minor case studies, no one will ever know.