Very difficult choice to make (some help required)

[Megazoid]

For the past week i have been debating what the best course of action for treating my symptoms. I have even consider going to see Marianco in the states but this really would cost allot and i would like to try everything i can on my own before giving up and traveling across.

I have been without testosterone treatment for over a week now (9 day's to be exact). I did a 4 week "trial" run of testosterone enthanate at 125mg weekly. I didn't really notice much difference to be honest, maybe some amplification of the hypothyroidism symptoms (dry skin, joint clicking, lack of penile sensation, etc). All i got from weekly injections was a sore leg and nothing more.

Because my anti-aging clinic stopped treating me i have decided to give "going solo" a try for a while, relying only on supplements. So far so good. The symptoms of hypothyroidism seem more dramatic than the low testosterone ones. But i believe fixing the T/E/DHT ratio would fix the thyroid problems too?

I can still work and function, i don't really suffer from fatigue or extreme tiredness but i still have very low libido and almost complete ED at times. I don't feel confident our out-going anymore and have put off two possible relationships due to the extreme ED and low libido problems. I feel my confidence, quality of life and general well-being are really rock bottom and i would like to start living again. I am seeking professional counciling for help in this area too.

I done my day's worth of saliva collection for the thyroid, adrenal and insulin panel and should have the results in a week or so. This should give me a good idea

I seem to feel noticably better if i sleep for a while and on a few mornings this week have had morning wood, though it's allot weaker than before and dies quickly, still a glimmer of hope. What hormones are released during sleep?

So the symptoms that still exist are:

Dry Skin
Skin Thinning (on hands/foreskin for the most part)
Penis/testicular shrinkage (as if bad blood flow)
Moderate/Extreme ED
Penile Sensation issues
Low Libido
Joint Clicking/Pain
Low Confidence
Mild Depression
Ear Preasure
Dry Hair/Wirey
No spontanious erections
Pulled up tight/uncomfortable scrotum (due to varicocele - not shutdown)
Slow Beard growth
Muscle Pain after excercise/walking

Anyway to cut to the chase, my nut's are atrophied due to varicocele but my LH/FSH are normal (not elevated) signifying that even know my nut's were shrunk, they still worked somewhat, just not like before. I guess bigger nut's equal more testosterone?

The main worry i have right now is that i have what "seems" like hypothyroidism (TSH of 2.5), this could also be resulting in my low libido and ED problems alongside the low t.

I want to give a 2/3 month run of HCG a go with or without TRT (Test E/Depo) to see how my nut's respond and to see if i can get back testicular size and hopefully function.

I have 3 plans/protocols in mind:

1) HCG (250iu) daily (1500iu weekly) + Dermacrine Sustain + ZMA
2) HCG (500iu) 3 times weekly (1500iu weekly) + Dermacrine Sustain + ZMA
2) 125mg Testosterone Depo split bi-weekly. HCG at 250iu on wednesday and sunday (500iu HCG in total).

My fear is that HCG will make thing's worse than they are by either 1) Effecting thyroid hormone negatively 2) Raising E2 through the roof 3) Gyno.

I don't want to use Nolva/Clomid because i am scared of the sides and already have terrible, terrible eye sight

I am willing to use Dermacrine Sustain product because it seem's cheaper than armidex and as capable. I also have Zinc, DIM, etc for controlling E2.

My current suppliment routine is a multi-vit, ZMA before bed, Kelp and fish oils.

I am looking for some positive information/feedback here, this is a really tricky decision to make and i could really do with some help regarding this.

[jsupstarz]

What do you mean you have terrible eyesight? NOLVA And CLOMID have nothing to do w/ having a strong prescription? p.s. I know about cat's so dont say that.

[FYI777]

Megazoid I think you should check out and READ the book:

Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness by Broda O. Barnes M.D.,Ph.D

available in your library or amazon.com

this book is the shiznit

[zkt]

You seem quite inteligent and knowledgable and just need the confidence to trust your own judgement. A couple weeks ago looked like you were about to check out thru the fast lane. Bad idea. I`ve seen many people so much worse off than anyone here its not even comparable. Dig ddep bro, its in you. Btw never have understood why the DRs arent treating you. Thyroid issues are pretty elementary in the Medical profession.
Of the three plans you are considering I would go with the hcg and dermacrine. Give it a month an d see what happens.
1) HCG (250iu) daily (1500iu weekly) + Dermacrine Sustain + ZMA
2) HCG (500iu) 3 times weekly (1500iu weekly) + Dermacrine Sustain + ZMA
2) 125mg Testosterone Depo split bi-weekly. HCG at 250iu on wednesday and sunday (500iu HCG in total).

[Naturdoc]

With a TSH of 2.5 you should be giving some priority to thyroid suplementation.

[Megazoid]

Naturdoc, my GP/Doctor, urologists and endo are all refusing to help in this situation, but i do believe allot of my symptoms are of hypothyroid. However these symptoms ONLY came about when i got a varicocele and lowered testosterone, E2, etc. So i am wondering if getting my testicles back working (if this is even possible) would rectify the thyroid problem.

What would you recommend thyroid wise? I am taking Kelp at present for a source of iodine. I couldn't find any online sources that supplied armour (or alike) to give it a test run.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Naturdoc, my GP/Doctor, urologists and endo are all refusing to help in this situation, but i do believe allot of my symptoms are of hypothyroid. However these symptoms ONLY came about when i got a varicocele and lowered testosterone, E2, etc. So i am wondering if getting my testicles back working (if this is even possible) would rectify the thyroid problem.

What would you recommend thyroid wise? I am taking Kelp at present for a source of iodine. I couldn't find any online sources that supplied armour (or alike) to give it a test run.

Nothing but the best for Megazoid;
Original Armour:
http://www.antiaging-systems.com/ias...g/thyroid.html
Thyroid Armour 100 x 30mg tablets Item Code: 0468 Price: $44.99
Thyroid Armour 100 x 60mg tablets Item Code: 0007 Price: $49.99
There is also 15mg tablets, I would forget about hem.
For starters you may want to buy one of each.
Use the 30mg for ramping up or down.
the 60mg (1grain) use when you know your proper dose.

If you are really serious about Armour, buy more,
from time to time they are running out of stock.

Test your blood for FreeT3 and FreeT4.
I am not sure how to look at urine tests,
somebody may enlighten me, please.

Hope you had a good day, I did.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Naturdoc, my GP/Doctor, urologists and endo are all refusing to help in this situation, but i do believe allot of my symptoms are of hypothyroid. However these symptoms ONLY came about when i got a varicocele and lowered testosterone, E2, etc. So i am wondering if getting my testicles back working (if this is even possible) would rectify the thyroid problem.

What would you recommend thyroid wise? I am taking Kelp at present for a source of iodine. I couldn't find any online sources that supplied armour (or alike) to give it a test run.

Kelp is shitty source of iodine its probably has more heavy metals then any thing depending on where it was harvested.

rectifying thyroid / adrrnals problem will increase testosterone..

[JackBauer]

Mega...

Count my vote for you seeing a specialist. I've said it before to you - I will say it again...

My psychological outlook dramatically improved when I stopped trying to find a local endo to treat me with hCG, and decided to travel, and spend money to see a specialist.

I am still not healthy - but it is a journey, and I need to be patient. It is hard, it has now been 6 months since seeing a specialist, and we're still trying to get things going in me.

There is no immediate fix here.

No disrespect - but you seem to be changing your regimen frequently. It's like your guessing, and trying to get advice of all those here.

It scares me to think you seriously thought about ending it all - and as you continue to change regimens, probably will get more frustrated... Well - to me it just makes sense to spend the money, regardless of what it costs - and hopefully you see a specialist that can work with you to fix you up. Again - no quick fix, but with a professional, I'm sure this can be solved.

[role model]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

Kelp is shitty source of iodine its probably has more heavy metals then any thing depending on where it was harvested.

rectifying thyroid / adrrnals problem will increase testosterone..

So what option do you recommend if you shouldn't take Kelp? Because I take kelp, and I know heavy metals are a bitch to get rid of, if you ever can get rid of them at all.