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Vita E increases blood plasma response to HCG.



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Effect of vitamin E on function of pituitary-gonadal axis in male rats and human subjects.

Umeda F, Kato K, Muta K, Ibayashi H.

The role of vitamin E in the endocrine system, in particular the pituitary-gonadal axis, was studied in humans and male rats by examining the hormonal differences between vitamin E deficient and supplemented conditions. In vitamin E deficient rats, pituitary content and basal plasma level of FSH and LH were significantly lower than those of the control rats, but testicular content and basal plasma level of testosterone were not significantly changed. On the other hand, in vitamin E supplemented rats, FSH and LH content in pituitary tissue was significantly higher than that of the controls, but there was no significant rise in basal FSH and LH level in plasma. The testosterone level was significantly elevated in both testicular tissue and plasma. It was also demonstrated that basal plasma testosterone and F.T.I. were increased in normal male subjects following oral vitamin E administration and the responsiveness of plasma testosterone levels to HCG was significantly higher during vitamin E administration than before administration. These results suggest that vitamin E may play an important and potent role in hormone production in the pituitary-gonadal axis in humans and rats.

PMID: 6816576 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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This is good information, but here's a question I've been wondering about for ages: how do WE get pharmaceutical grade vitamins that are actually absorbable?

I think, in these experiments, they are using a very high quality injected vitamin E. We humans can only get our hands on the room-temperature, couple year old shit they sell at department stores are essentially all cheap marketing gimmicks.

Plus, there's d-alpha-trocopherol, which is said to be a rather useless form of E. What were they using in this study?

Does anyone have a source for high quality, bioaailable vitamin E?

I have a "high-gamma" Vitamin E from Nature's Way (400iu) and an Isomer Vitamin E supplement from GNC (400oiu.)

I take both daily for 800iu of mixed source Vitamin E.
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Vitamin E is well absorbed orally. It doesn't need to be injected. What you are taking is fine.
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Swale commented on this when he was having it out with AR last year. There is something different about the vitamin E used in that study than the stuff we can get at the store (I don't know what though). Anyway, I remember Swale saying that the benefit would be negligable for you and I (generally speaking of course).
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Well, if Swale said so, it must be true. I mean Swale is right about everything isn't he!
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I don't really give a fuck what you think of Swale / Dr. Crisler! He's a doc who happens to be an expert in the field, and just who the fuck are you Mr. Androgen?

right or wrong, I don't think it matters. What harm is taking a daily dose of vitamin E gonna do? right? I take it just because, I don't really care if it makes my HCG work better or not. I'm just commenting for someone who may consider using it for the express intent of improving HCG effectiveness.
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LOL Hey, calm down mate, I wasn't being serious. I know SWALE is a good doc. I think you should reduce the dose of your DHT cream, you're becoming a little too aggressive
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The best vitamin E, is from pinnacle, it has all the 8 isomers wich is the most natural vitamin e possible, but like andriol for instance, it needs to be taken with some sort of fatty food.

They dont sell it here in australia so I ordered like 5 bottles from the US, a while ago.

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Pinnacle Isomer E is a natural, full spectrum Vitamin E that contains all 8 Isomers: Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma, Tocopherols, and Tocotrienols
Natural Isomer-E is the world's first Vitamin E supplement that delivers the total spectrum of vitamin E isomers (all eight tocopherols and tocotrienols found naturally in food- "Nature's Perfect Blend"), its unique, patent-pending formula has much greater antioxidant capacity that any other Vitamin E ever developed. This is important since these tocopherols (vitamin E) and tocotrienols (related, natural compounds) provide antioxidant protection against free radicals, and help maintain healthy cardiovascular and immune systems, as well as prostate health, eye health, mental health, and skin health. Isomer E was ranked "number one in antioxidant capacity" in an automated assay conducted jointly by Brunswick Laboratories and the Jean Mayer USDA Human Nutrition Research Center at Tufts University. According to an ORAC (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity) test- the definitive measurement of antioxidant capacity-- Natural Isomer-E offers 100x the antioxidant capacity of synthetic Vitamin E (10,000% greater) and 100% more than other natural Vitamin E formulas.

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