WTF!! All my bloods came back "normal" now what can I do?

[rush74]

Having done an anavar 6 week cycle 2 years ago, I have never been the same in regards to libido and strength of errections etc. I had my blood tests done and my doc says they are all normal and therefore nothing he can do. I have heard many guys complain about the definition of "normal" but having done some research on the net it seems that everything is ok. I am a 34 year old male in very good health, exercise eat well etc and have good energy levels... these are my results

Total Test 24 nmol/L (ref range 9.5-35)
Androstendione 8.6 nmol/L (ref range 2.1-10.8)
SHBG 39 nmol/L (ref range 13-71)
Calculated free testosterone 482 pmol/L (ref range 225-725)
Sensitive Oestradiol E2 85 pmol/L (ref range 50-150)
Prog 4.7 nmol/L (ref range 1.2 4.8)
DHEA sulphate 11.9 umol/L (ref range 2.2-15)

Cholesterol and liver function psa are all fine.

The only thing I can think is that pre steroids I had very high
test levels and my body has reset itself to a lower level, does
anyone have any ideas, they would be most appreciated.

thanks

[Weatherlite]

I think your E2 labs may be the wrong range. I've never heard of any lab going that high unless it was either total E or a woman's E2. Get that checked out cause E2 can be a cause of some of your symptoms.

Also, % Free T or preferably Bioavailable T would be preferential to calculated Free T. But your number does look ok though not great.

Next, DHT. Gotta know that one! It's what REALLY makes us feel like men.

And finally, what about a thyroid panel? Lots of guys think it's their gonads that are bad when in reality it was their thyroid.

[mranak]

Good advice Weatherline, although the E2 test appears to be appropraite based on the description. And the range doesn't go down to zero which is a good sign. It might be an even more accurate E2 test than we are used to.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by rush74

Having done an anavar 6 week cycle 2 years ago, I have never been the same in regards to libido and strength of errections etc. I had my blood tests done and my doc says they are all normal and therefore nothing he can do. I have heard many guys complain about the definition of "normal" but having done some research on the net it seems that everything is ok. I am a 34 year old male in very good health, exercise eat well etc and have good energy levels... these are my results

Total Test 24 nmol/L (ref range 9.5-35)
Androstendione 8.6 nmol/L (ref range 2.1-10.8)
SHBG 39 nmol/L (ref range 13-71)
Calculated free testosterone 482 pmol/L (ref range 225-725)
Sensitive Oestradiol E2 85 pmol/L (ref range 50-150)
Prog 4.7 nmol/L (ref range 1.2 4.8)
DHEA sulphate 11.9 umol/L (ref range 2.2-15)

Cholesterol and liver function psa are all fine.

The only thing I can think is that pre steroids I had very high
test levels and my body has reset itself to a lower level, does
anyone have any ideas, they would be most appreciated.

thanks

If you read this link 84pmol/l = 23 pg/ml so his E2 is very good.
http://www.keratin.com/ab/ab018.shtml

[Weatherlite]

Damn...helps if I pay attention to the conversions!!! DUH!!!!

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by Weatherlite

Damn...helps if I pay attention to the conversions!!! DUH!!!!

Don't be so hard on your self.

[rush74]

Sorry gents the numbers I gave had to be converted as Im from Australia so obviously the levels are done differently over here.

My DHT was 4.4 nmol/L (ref range 1.2-4.7) so definitely no problem there

Thyroid function
Free T4 17.9 pmol/L ( ref range 10.0-19)
Thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) 1.73 (ref range 0.50-4)
Free T3 4.8pmol/L (3.5-6.5)

"Results indicate normal thyroid function"

Earthdog was saying that Swale likes test to be in the upper quartile, perhaps being mid range is not "normal" enough for me??

[greatgro]

Is libido and strength of erections the only problems? If you're still in good shape and have good energy levels, it may not be your T that's the problem. I like the estrogen suggestion but if not that maybe something not Test or hormone related.

[Matt Muscle]

Originally Posted by rush74

Sorry gents the numbers I gave had to be converted as Im from Australia so obviously the levels are done differently over here.

My DHT was 4.4 nmol/L (ref range 1.2-4.7) so definitely no problem there

Thyroid function
Free T4 17.9 pmol/L ( ref range 10.0-19)
Thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) 1.73 (ref range 0.50-4)
Free T3 4.8pmol/L (3.5-6.5)

"Results indicate normal thyroid function"

Earthdog was saying that Swale likes test to be in the upper quartile, perhaps being mid range is not "normal" enough for me??

Your testosterone is absolutely NORMAL.... Do not fall into the trap of thinking you need more testosterone.... Swale only says this in relation to guys who are on testosterone replacement therapy..it is not applicable to natural production. 24 NMOL/L is a good level of T... very few males in your age group would have higher levels. Some of the guys around here are under the misconception that you need high levels of T for good sexual function and it is just NOT the case. Testosterone is just one part of libido AND erections. There are many other hormones and neurotransmitters that play a part in this and most defintely some that have not been discovered yet... So we do not fully understand yet what steriods can interupt when it comes to sexual function.

For example, the new drug PT141, which is still in development has revealed how the hormone MSH CAN affect male sexual response and erections... specifically alpha-MSH. The part of the brain that seems to contribute the most to male sexual behavior is the medial preoptic area of the hypothalamus. Melanocyte stimulating hormone, has an effect on the sex centers of the hypothalamus. Its interesting how this hormone can trigger sponteanous erections.

If your hormone levels have returned to normal... it may take time for other related functions to regain thier function. Testosterone supplementation is not the answer for you, and IMO will only further complicate and inhibit your recovery. A free testosterone test would be a good idea, plus repeating the total T a few times in the morning.
Your E2 levels look quite ok as well.

[Cryptochid]

Originally Posted by rush74

Having done an anavar 6 week cycle 2 years ago, I have never been the same in regards to libido and strength of errections etc. I had my blood tests done and my doc says they are all normal and therefore nothing he can do. I have heard many guys complain about the definition of "normal" but having done some research on the net it seems that everything is ok. I am a 34 year old male in very good health, exercise eat well etc and have good energy levels... these are my results

Total Test 24 nmol/L (ref range 9.5-35)
Androstendione 8.6 nmol/L (ref range 2.1-10.8)
SHBG 39 nmol/L (ref range 13-71)
Calculated free testosterone 482 pmol/L (ref range 225-725)
Sensitive Oestradiol E2 85 pmol/L (ref range 50-150)
Prog 4.7 nmol/L (ref range 1.2 4.8)
DHEA sulphate 11.9 umol/L (ref range 2.2-15)

Cholesterol and liver function psa are all fine.

The only thing I can think is that pre steroids I had very high
test levels and my body has reset itself to a lower level, does
anyone have any ideas, they would be most appreciated.

thanks

Your reference range is within 10% of your agegroup, which is also within its variable within the european measurement for t.

Attenpting to obtain trt in Australia is difficult unless you are below 9.5, and even then it becomes a fight with the endo.

With those readings, I doubt any endos will treat you at this stage given the conservitive nature in Australia. No doubt in time you will fall off and become hypogonadal. How long this takes is unkown but worth monitoring