Nutrition / Supplements Forum: This is a discussion on Alright, Bob, let's get this ball rolling within the Bodybuilding forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Do you remember what was written in the old thread? Shoot me questions or whatever so we can get this ...
Glad to see you finally registered! Im suspposed to remember something that was posted a week ago?? You obviously dont know my short term memory. lol Gimme some stats to work with, along with an idea as to how much (and breakdown, if you have it) of how you eat now.
You have a fight coming up in 2-3 weeks, right?
Im off to work, but I should be able to post more tonight if Jewel lets me near my comp.
6'3" say 285 at approx. 15%. I'm looking to get to 6% if it's possible, but I'd be able to live with 8-9%. Or, maybe I'll just do whatever it takes to make it to about 240. I don't see that happening with the AAS, but you never know.
Drug use: I'll be running P/S at 200mg/eod and 50mg dbol/ed. Towards the end of february/end of the P/S and Dbol, I'm planning on running 75mg tren/ed, 300-400mg test/wk, 600mg EQ/wk. DNP? Possibly. T3/clen, maybe.
My diet is all over the place right now. I couldn't even tell you what I eat except that I eat between 7 and 11 cans of tuna/day.
Re: the fight: I'll be fighting on Jan. 24 and again on 31. Will this diet affect my "gas" or will I be good to go?
Cardio: Got any recomendations? Typically, I just go out walking for an hour(it's quite a brisk pace 5mi/hr). I was thinking about doing sprints instead this time so that I could consolidate fight prep and cardio. I also thought mabye I might go rounds on the heavy bag/skip rope/throw knees in the morning for cardio. Again, trying to consolidate. Any input is appreciated.
Drug use: I'll be running P/S at 200mg/eod and 50mg dbol/ed. Towards the end of february/end of the P/S and Dbol, I'm planning on running 75mg tren/ed, 300-400mg test/wk, 600mg EQ/wk. DNP? Possibly. T3/clen, maybe.
That looks fine.
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My diet is all over the place right now. I couldn't even tell you what I eat except that I eat between 7 and 11 cans of tuna/day.
Re: the fight: I'll be fighting on Jan. 24 and again on 31. Will this diet affect my "gas" or will I be good to go?
What we will do will likely affect your endurance, but as the fight gets closer we can make adjustments so that you dont hit a wall in the first round.
Ok, basics for the diet: Calories - start at 4000/day. Protein - 1+g/lb. You could go as high as 2g/lb if you really wanted to. Fat - will make up the largest part of your calories. Liquid fats are going to be the best, so flax oil, olive oil or high-oleic safflower oil (my choice) are all good. Fish oil capsules at 6-12 per day. Carbs - For the first week, keep them around 75g. Depending on how youre feeling, we may do a refeed at the end of the first week. All carb intake (not on refeed days) should be scheduled before, during, or immediately following your lifting workouts.
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Cardio: Got any recomendations? Typically, I just go out walking for an hour(it's quite a brisk pace 5mi/hr). I was thinking about doing sprints instead this time so that I could consolidate fight prep and cardio. I also thought mabye I might go rounds on the heavy bag/skip rope/throw knees in the morning for cardio. Again, trying to consolidate. Any input is appreciated.
For cardio, I prefer intervals for the fastest results. Being on a low carb diet, your ability to perform a lot of intervals will likely be diminished. 3-5 sessions of intervals (20 second sprint, 40 second slow pace) per week should get you going. Dont kill yourself on these at the beginning, but try to start off with 6-8 intervals. I would imagine that youre in pretty good cardiovascular shape from all your fight training, so you might be able to go more than the 6-8. Other than that, a half hour of slow/moderate paced cardio at the end of the day or on off days is fine. You can choose whatever equip you want to do your cardio on, but I prefer elliptical machines. Something with little to no impact.
For supps: the fish oil capsules, ephedrine (or clen) and caffeine, L-tyrosine (at 500-1000mg per dose of EC), and you might want to pick up a sugar-free fiber supplement so you can avoid white-knuckle dumps as much as possible. Those are no fun. Then of course the basics of a multi-vitamin, maybe an extra potassium/magnesium/calcium supp would also be a worthwhile addition. DNP helps a lot but will also kill your endurance more than just the diet. Results will be much faster with it, so you could also use for 3-4 days at a time and be ok. Not that Im recommending anyone use DNP without doing the proper research, just saying that it works well.
Do I count the fish oil capsules calories in my daily caloric allotment?
I'm only slightly worried about the "gas". If I'm used to training(I'll do it for 3 weeks) with no carbs, then I'd assume I'll have adapted and just be used to it. Plus, I may just have to eat a couple cups of oatmeal that day. Good time for a refeed, I'd say.
What kind of carbs post workout? Simple, yes, I get this part. However, I'm not the richest fellow right now, so purchasing much beyond food is hard. How about banannas and raisins? The raisins will keep the shit flowing, too.
Fat intake. I'll eat a good 400g/pro/day because it's just what I do and I'm not sure it would be good to switch it up. That leaves about 2000 left for fats(after counting the carbs). I reckon I could stir-fry the hell out of some chicken and/or pheasant with some olive oil. Maybe a little PB here and there? It's got carbs in it,though. Otherwise, what do you suggest? Tip the olive oil bottle upside down and drink or what? Also, what about canola oil?
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Don't forget that I also train MMA 4 or 5 days/wk for about 1.5hrs. Would this change anything?
A typical day would be something similar to this:
1-3 5 min rounds on the mitts/thai pads
2-4 5 min rounds sparring
Drill takedowns or groundwork
Live goes until we die. Depends upon how many people show up as to how long that is. If it's just me and my usual partner it's about 30 mins. If there are 4 or 5 of us, we can extend that to about 45mins because there is more rest.
Do I count the fish oil capsules calories in my daily caloric allotment?
Yes
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I'm only slightly worried about the "gas". If I'm used to training(I'll do it for 3 weeks) with no carbs, then I'd assume I'll have adapted and just be used to it. Plus, I may just have to eat a couple cups of oatmeal that day. Good time for a refeed, I'd say.
We'll probably end up doing refeeds every 5-7 days.
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What kind of carbs post workout? Simple, yes, I get this part. However, I'm not the richest fellow right now, so purchasing much beyond food is hard. How about banannas and raisins? The raisins will keep the shit flowing, too.
Simple carbs. If you dont have a carb supplement, then something like table sugar would be a fair choice. Some fruit or raisins should be ok, too. Might not be the ultimate best choice, but we have to deal with whats available and affordable.
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Fat intake. I'll eat a good 400g/pro/day because it's just what I do and I'm not sure it would be good to switch it up. That leaves about 2000 left for fats(after counting the carbs). I reckon I could stir-fry the hell out of some chicken and/or pheasant with some olive oil. Maybe a little PB here and there? It's got carbs in it,though. Otherwise, what do you suggest? Tip the olive oil bottle upside down and drink or what? Also, what about canola oil?
You could float a tablespoon of oil on a little bit of water in a shot glass. Thats the easiest way for me to be able to do it. Stir-frying would be ok, its just difficult to figure out how much fat youre actually getting from it. But thats ok. I wouldnt use canola oil. The other choices I gave would be much better. I like the safflower because it has the lightest flavor of ay of the oils.
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Don't forget that I also train MMA 4 or 5 days/wk for about 1.5hrs. Would this change anything?
Adjust the cardio as you want. Besides your training, you could just do the moderate intensity cardio for 2-4x/week. Your training is pretty much like intervals.
Why the no love for Canola? I've read in some places that it is better than olive oil in some respects and not as good in others. The combination of the two would seem to be ideal, though I'm an olive kind of guy.
What about the PB? Can I eat some? I'll try to not eat the whole jar.
Also, do I choose lean meats or do it Atkins style ala sausage and bratwurst? I'd imagine that the lean meats would be the better choice. Whole eggs? Probably won't kill the sherriff, right?
How about a 3-5 egg, 1/4c cheese, lean ham omelette for breakfast? There's a few carbs, about 12, from the eggs and cheese, but that shouldn't kill me, right?
Is there any problem with some cheese in general? Cheese makes an awful lot of stuff better.
PB not the best choice. Leans meats are better than other choices, but some saturated fat isnt going to kill you. Hopefully. Whole eggs are good (I hate eating just the whites). Your omlete idea looks fine to me.
Alright, Bob, let's get this ball rolling 
Then of course the basics of a multi-vitamin, maybe an extra potassium/magnesium/calcium supp would also be a worthwhile addition. DNP helps a lot but will also kill your endurance more than just the diet. Results will be much faster with it, so you could also use for 3-4 days at a time and be ok. Not that Im recommending anyone use DNP without doing the proper research, just saying that it works well.
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