best prohormones, if you wanted to use those sort of things...

[diesel85]

anybody got any suggestions on which work best, for natural test elevation? or combination thereof???

[Beefy]

I've tried 6-oxo and vitrix (tribulus). Both broke me out, but I could feel a noticable rise in aggression and my work outs improved. I just followed the recommended doses and used them at the same time. I've heard 1-ad is worth trying if you're ready to buy a couple hundred and eat 10 a day. In my opinion prohormones are too expensive, and compared to gear-you get none of the results with some/all of the sides.

[freedomfighter]

I don't understand. Natural Test elevation means you are trying to boost the bodies production of Test. For that some Tribulus formula, like Bio-Test's Tribex 500, would do it. Prohormones boost the Test levels with an external input. It 3 days you will no longer be able to get these legally. Methyl 1 - Test is suppossed to be good. Its methylated to avoid first pass destruction in the liver. So it does tax the liver.

Freedomfighter

[jd62]

ive taken methyl 1 test by legalgear and it gave me nothing but bloody noses. all day long, everytime i moved to fast or sneedzed or scratched my nose it would bleed, it bled through every workout i did. i had no gains at all, then my friend who is a doctor ran a test on it and it came up as chalk.

im on 6-oxo right now and i like it alot. noticable aggression and break out more plus better workouts. its been a week and im up 8lbs, but that could be the creatine.

[KCSMAN]

I Have Never Had Any Luck When Them. Just A Waste Of Money. Some People Have Results And Some Don't. Might As Well Use The Real Thing Now Since They Are Illegal Soon Anyway.

[chrisremo]

6-oxo isnt a prohormone fellas..its a prohormone alternative, it restores testosterone production..this product is somthing u take after a PH cycle..this will still be on the market, everything else is out on the 19th..basically anything that has andro in it..

[Beefy]

Originally Posted by jd62

ive taken methyl 1 test by legalgear and it gave me nothing but bloody noses. all day long, everytime i moved to fast or sneedzed or scratched my nose it would bleed, it bled through every workout i did. i had no gains at all, then my friend who is a doctor ran a test on it and it came up as chalk.

im on 6-oxo right now and i like it alot. noticable aggression and break out more plus better workouts. its been a week and im up 8lbs, but that could be the creatine.

It's the creatine, bro. 6-oxo is a good natural test booster, but like remo said, it's not a pro hormone or steroid; so it won't be that potent. What kind of creatine are you using?

[chrisremo]

JD yeah one friend of mine had trouble with m1t too, had the same problems, bloody noses n shit, but also 2 other of my buddies took it and had great results..so it depends on ur body..others can use it with no horrific side effects and others may suffer..jus go with the one that actually gives u results..it doesnt have to b a PH, Anavol is great, ive taken it and got great results..bench increased, squats increased and my whole body jus felt "bigger".. it pretty much gets u stronger and helps u build mass..all it is, is suped up creatine..try it out..if u have any other questions about supplements lemme know buddy..

[freedomfighter]

Hey there's a JD that hangs out at CuttingEdge. Used to hang here a long time ago. I know you're not him, but seeing those initials brings back some pleasant memories.

You know those bloody noses sound like High Blood Pressure. This could have been caused by elevated Estrogen levels. If M 1 T aromatises thats the answer to that. Did you suffer from any bloat?

Freedomfighter

[jd62]

no bloat, but im bloated like a cow from creatine, im taking GNC creatine monohydrate, damn good deal 5g per serving 200 servings was 8 bucks, good stuff. and sorry i not your old friend, im initals are JD, its not my name.

[freedomfighter]

I know your not him cause he won't mess with prohormones or prosteroids. He also researches like a beaver builds dams. Check out Cuttingedge sometime. They go way over my head. Maybe you should try some syrum creatine. You only have to take it on days you work out. No loading. Its sublingual. I'll get the URL where you can get it. Its on sale right now. Be right back.

Freedomfighter

[freedomfighter]

http://www.musclesurf.com/atpadcreat...ptype=MS010905

Thats Musclesurf's site. Lotsa good stuff on sale.

Freedomfighter

[jd62]

thanks, ill check that out

[AcuDoc]

Originally Posted by Beefy

I've tried 6-oxo and vitrix (tribulus). Both broke me out, but I could feel a noticable rise in aggression and my work outs improved. I just followed the recommended doses and used them at the same time. I've heard 1-ad is worth trying if you're ready to buy a couple hundred and eat 10 a day. In my opinion prohormones are too expensive, and compared to gear-you get none of the results with some/all of the sides.

Do not take 1,000mg of 1-ad that would be waaaaay too much .

M1T will put on size fast but is absolutely terrible for your hdl levels and liver values. It is not a ph but a steroid and should be treated like d-bol, i.e. proper pct, blood work ect. It does not aromatize but post cycle is hard since it shuts you down in 2-3 days. The other sides, i.e. HBP and extreme fatigue are killer. The stuff is rat poison and I would stay well away from it.

[MikeHeavypecs]

I totally agree. I took M1T and had GREAT size results (about 10 "lasting" lbs of muscle). HOWEVER, my liver enzymes shot to AST 178 (should be 1-40) and ALT 308 (should be 0-40).....!! Cholestrol LDL 212.....

Mike

Originally Posted by AcuDoc

Do not take 1,000mg of 1-ad that would be waaaaay too much .

M1T will put on size fast but is absolutely terrible for your hdl levels and liver values. It is not a ph but a steroid and should be treated like d-bol, i.e. proper pct, blood work ect. It does not aromatize but post cycle is hard since it shuts you down in 2-3 days. The other sides, i.e. HBP and extreme fatigue are killer. The stuff is rat poison and I would stay well away from it.