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Old 07-28-2004, 06:48 AM
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Can anyone answer the following qestions on flax seed oil?

1. Why should I take it...benefits to me and my training?
2. How should I take it?
3. How much should I take?
4. How often?
5. Should I take all the time or just when cutting or bulking etc.
6. What form does it come in...capsule, liquid, food sources etc?


I've heard a lot about this stuff most of which is rather vague info so if someone could enlighten me I'd be greatful.

Thanks.
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Omega 3's are needed but the body every day of your life. For many different functions. You could write a book on it. I take 1-2 table spoons a day of the oil. As I find the oil the cheapest form although it tastes terrible. I also take fish oil to get the benifits from that.
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I am no expert, but i can give you an IMO. I only use that horrible crap when dieting for a show. I feel better when i keep my fats over 40g pd, Flax helps that. I take ot right before bed, bout a tbl spoon. You need to look at your diet, yes you'll have to keep track of your macronutrients, and see if its necessary to keep your calories where they need to be.
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Okay so how much cod liver oil should I take per day?
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Can anyone answer the following qestions on flax seed oil?

1. Why should I take it...benefits to me and my training?
2. How should I take it?
3. How much should I take?
4. How often?
5. Should I take all the time or just when cutting or bulking etc.
6. What form does it come in...capsule, liquid, food sources etc?


I've heard a lot about this stuff most of which is rather vague info so if someone could enlighten me I'd be greatful.

Thanks.
Here is what I do when it comes to EFA(essential Fatty acids):First I don't believe in the benefits of EFA if you don't reduce some of your daily fat consumption especially your saturated fats. For every gram of fat you wish to reduce I take a gram of EFA. I really don't buy too much EFA supplements because I get so much through my diet via: Safflower oil in salad dressings, cooking, Olive oil, different types of fish and even eating cantoloupes. But I do take about 2-3 1000mg capsules of EFA. But becareful with your EFA consumption because taking too many of those supplements will make you shit like crazy. Don't fart if you are a very high EFA diet!
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6's and 9's are they easiest to get. I only worry about getting enough of the 3's.
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1) the benifits, after about 3 weeks of use of 5 to 9 grams a day flaxseed oil can help the body to have less of an inflamatory response without the use of motrin or other anti inflamatories, it has also been shown to slightly lower blood pressure, improve hdl to ldl ratio, and reduce risk of stroke and heart attack, the best way to take flaxsseed is from the ground up organic seeds which can be bought at most health food stores this is because of the fiber content, however the easiest way to take them would be from pills or liquid
you should also take this all the time because the effects take about three weeks to start when taking flax every day
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just drink motor oil. it helps you keep going for a longer mileage!
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take hemp oil. you will get your 3,6,9's and tastes alot better.
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The human body needs a given ratio of omega's. Don't have the info right know. As most people wont spend the time to get the proper amount I usually tell them to just concentrait on getting more of the 3's and fish oil.
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When the supplemental oil has omega-6s in it, then it can't correct dietary intake of omega 6 and omega 3's. Most foods have too much omega-6 in them, due to improper raising (eggs, beef, etc), so the benefit of fish oil is to add additional omega-3s to get the 6 and 3 back towards normal healthy ratios. Hemp oil won't do that.
I use the flax to basicly get another 100 cals in my shake. How many cals per teaspoon of codliver and does the taste really bang up your shake ( should I drink it seperate)?
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Here's a post I put on the wrong forum recently about flaxseed oil...


Just found some scary stuff regarding flaxseed oil and prostate cancer. Considering the fact that most bodybuilding experts advise consumption of large quantities of flaxseed oil (quite often while taking androgenic steroids - which are already bad for the prostate), I think the following article should be looked at very closely.

Anybody out there have an "informed" opinion on the benefits AND risks of supplementing with flaxseed?

G

The full article can be found at the following link:
http://www.prostateforum.com/Flaxseedoil.pdf

Here is some of the more disturbing text from the above link:

... "An epidemiology study that examines the association of alphalinolenic
acid and prostate cancer risk has just been published. Dr. Eduardo
De Stefani and colleagues from Registro Nacional de Cancer, Montevideo,
Uruguay, examined the association between prostate cancer and alphalinolenic acid, linoleic acid, total fat, saturated fat, and monounsaturated fat. Addit-ionally, they tested whether there was a difference between alpha-linolenic acid obtained from animal or vegetable sources. One of the reasons this study is interesting is that Uruguay has one of the higher death rates from prostate cancer, as well as one of the highest rates of red meat consumption.

This study found that the major risk factors associated with the
development of prostate cancer were family history of this disease and
intake of alpha-linolenic acid. When the risk was adjusted for intake of
linoleic acid, saturated fat, monounsaturated fat, and red meat intake,
those with the highest intake of alpha-linolenic acid had a 440% increase
in risk compared with those at the lowest level. Also, alpha-linolenic acid
from both vegetable and animal sources was associated with an increase
in the risk of prostate cancer.

There are now six epidemiology studies that have examined the
association between dietary alpha-linolenic acid and risk of prostate
cancer. Five out of six of these studies found an increase in the risk of
prostate cancer associated with alpha-linolenic acid. The one negative
study is from Swe-den. It is important to note that the Swedish study
found this fatty acid had no impact and therefore did not show any benefit from alpha-linolenic acid. Thus, six out of six studies found no benefit to in-creased alpha-linolenic acid, while five found potential harm! I should also note that our laboratory, as well as others, found that alpha-linolenic acid is one of the most powerful growth stimuli for human prostate cancer cells."....
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But becareful with your EFA consumption because taking too many of those supplements will make you shit like crazy. Don't fart if you are a very high EFA diet!
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Here's a post I put on the wrong forum recently about flaxseed oil...


Just found some scary stuff regarding flaxseed oil and prostate cancer. Considering the fact that most bodybuilding experts advise consumption of large quantities of flaxseed oil (quite often while taking androgenic steroids - which are already bad for the prostate), I think the following article should be looked at very closely.

Anybody out there have an "informed" opinion on the benefits AND risks of supplementing with flaxseed?

G

The full article can be found at the following link:
http://www.prostateforum.com/Flaxseedoil.pdf

Here is some of the more disturbing text from the above link:

... "An epidemiology study that examines the association of alphalinolenic
acid and prostate cancer risk has just been published. Dr. Eduardo
De Stefani and colleagues from Registro Nacional de Cancer, Montevideo,
Uruguay, examined the association between prostate cancer and alphalinolenic acid, linoleic acid, total fat, saturated fat, and monounsaturated fat. Addit-ionally, they tested whether there was a difference between alpha-linolenic acid obtained from animal or vegetable sources. One of the reasons this study is interesting is that Uruguay has one of the higher death rates from prostate cancer, as well as one of the highest rates of red meat consumption.

This study found that the major risk factors associated with the
development of prostate cancer were family history of this disease and
intake of alpha-linolenic acid. When the risk was adjusted for intake of
linoleic acid, saturated fat, monounsaturated fat, and red meat intake,
those with the highest intake of alpha-linolenic acid had a 440% increase
in risk compared with those at the lowest level. Also, alpha-linolenic acid
from both vegetable and animal sources was associated with an increase
in the risk of prostate cancer.

There are now six epidemiology studies that have examined the
association between dietary alpha-linolenic acid and risk of prostate
cancer. Five out of six of these studies found an increase in the risk of
prostate cancer associated with alpha-linolenic acid. The one negative
study is from Swe-den. It is important to note that the Swedish study
found this fatty acid had no impact and therefore did not show any benefit from alpha-linolenic acid. Thus, six out of six studies found no benefit to in-creased alpha-linolenic acid, while five found potential harm! I should also note that our laboratory, as well as others, found that alpha-linolenic acid is one of the most powerful growth stimuli for human prostate cancer cells."....

Where is Frosty when we need him?!
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I have no idea about that study. I wouldn't take the stuff anyway. Fish oil and cod liver oil is where it's at.
Hey Frosty, which brands of oils do you buy and where can I get them?
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