First DNP Cycle

[blantastic80]

A little over a year ago I decided to get off my fat ass and get in shape. I've lost 30 pounds and need to lose 40 more. It's been hard but have cleaned up my diet, do plenty of cardio and, even though I get embarrassed at the GYM because I'm a weakling, I lift weights too.

I want to take a body building class at my local community college but everywhere I read, it's recommended to get your body fat down to at least 14%ish. After much research, I've decided to take the DNP plunge so that I can start a class ASAP.

Here are my stats:
Age: 27
Weight: 227
Height: 6 ft.

Since this is my first time, I"m going be VERY cautious and take a short cycle just to learn what my body can tolerate. My buddy is getting the DNP and I should have it by Saturday. I will be posting on a daily basis.

Here's the plan:

Days 1-2: 200mg
Days 3-7: 400mg
Days 8-10: 500mg (ONLY if I can tolerate the sides. If not, 400mg.)

Cardio and Weights EOD

Supplements:
Multi-vitamin
Magnesium
Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Calcium
Potassium
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Lutein

Your comments, suggestions and critisms are welcome.

[blantastic80]

I got the DNP today and took my first 100mg capsule with dinner. Followed the supplements and did 45 minutes of cardio at the GYM. I'll be keeping a nutrition log from here on out. Wish me luck!

[betticus]

Please do post about your experiences but I'm kind of taken aback that someone would recommend being less than 14% body fat before starting a weight training regimen or class.

How did that all come about?

[BILLYGRINGO]

Originally Posted by blantastic80

A little over a year ago I decided to get off my fat ass and get in shape. I've lost 30 pounds and need to lose 40 more. It's been hard but have cleaned up my diet, do plenty of cardio and, even though I get embarrassed at the GYM because I'm a weakling, I lift weights too.

I want to take a body building class at my local community college but everywhere I read, it's recommended to get your body fat down to at least 14%ish. After much research, I've decided to take the DNP plunge so that I can start a class ASAP.

Here are my stats:
Age: 27
Weight: 227
Height: 6 ft.

Since this is my first time, I"m going be VERY cautious and take a short cycle just to learn what my body can tolerate. My buddy is getting the DNP and I should have it by Saturday. I will be posting on a daily basis.

Here's the plan:

Days 1-2: 200mg
Days 3-7: 400mg
Days 8-10: 500mg (ONLY if I can tolerate the sides. If not, 400mg.)

Cardio and Weights EOD

Supplements:
Multi-vitamin
Magnesium
Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Calcium
Potassium
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Lutein

Your comments, suggestions and critisms are welcome.

I do not recomend using anyhting but hard work to lose weight but this article helped a few of my friends


How to not fuck up DNP

good luck stay safe that shit is dangerous

[Dinitro]

Where's the rest of the log?

100mg is pretty darned weak DNP, though. You'd have to burn through a lot of money at quite a few caps a day to get to an effective dose.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by Dinitro

100mg is pretty darned weak DNP, though. You'd have to burn through a lot of money at quite a few caps a day to get to an effective dose.

You don't need to "burn through" very many caps each day when it's powder DNP and when it's accurately dosed. If he's using P's product, those 100mg caps contain about 100mg of actual DNP. Compare that to 200mg crystal caps that contain 150mg of actual DNP. (Your claims that the salt content is "negligible" makes me laugh when it's a whole 25%). Regardless, 300mg/day of actual DNP is usually plenty high. Any higher and the average user starts running into problems with an elevated body temperature and/or excessive sides.

[Dinitro]

Originally Posted by Conciliator

You don't need to "burn through" very many caps each day when it's powder DNP and when it's accurately dosed. If he's using P's product, those 100mg caps contain about 100mg of actual DNP. Compare that to 200mg crystal caps that contain 150mg of actual DNP. (Your claims that the salt content is "negligible" makes me laugh when it's a whole 25%). Regardless, 300mg/day of actual DNP is usually plenty high. Any higher and the average user starts running into problems with an elevated body temperature and/or excessive sides.

I'm still baffled why you post hostile or critical replies to my messages across several boards. Why? I genuinely don't get the negativity you've shown me from the very start. Can you explain?? It's as if you say to yourself, "Ooh, there's a post by that Dinitro guy! I need to slam him now! I don't really know why, it's just an instinct!" We've never done business, and as far as I know, I've never said or done anything to provoke this, so can you knock it off already? Sheesh!

Since the caps I've used are dosed at 250mg crystal, they more than compensate for the salt. People who have used the caps I use remark that they work better than any other type they've ever tried, and the feedback is overwhelmingly positive, which is really what counts. What I've said is negligible is the contrast between crystal and powder when someone properly uses a higher dose of crystal.

And FWIW, even 100mg of powder rather than crystal would still need plenty of doses a day to get to the 500mg or more that becomes effective. That's not an opinion issue, it's just a fact. The dose is so low, it'll take more.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by Dinitro

I'm still baffled why you post hostile or critical replies to my messages across several boards. Why? I genuinely don't get the negativity you've shown me from the very start. Can you explain?? It's as if you say to yourself, "Ooh, there's a post by that Dinitro guy! I need to slam him now! I don't really know why, it's just an instinct!" We've never done business, and as far as I know, I've never said or done anything to provoke this, so can you knock it off already? Sheesh!

If my posts seem hostile, it's probably because I'm naturally averse to false statements, especially when they're intentional. For example, the nonsense about crystal DNP being "cleaner" or stronger than an equivalent dose of powder when in reality the only reason people have fewer side effects on crystal is because they're ingesting less actual DNP. Then there's the fact that you lied about the quercetin content of your caps.

Originally Posted by Dinitro

Since the caps I've used are dosed at 250mg crystal, they more than compensate for the salt... What I've said is negligible is the contrast between crystal and powder when someone properly uses a higher dose of crystal.

You're lying again. That's not what you've told people. While talking generally about crystal DNP, you've said that the salt content is negligible. And you made these statements AFTER you knew that the salt content is 25%. About a year ago someone heard me talk about the salt content of crystal DNP. He then asked you about it. He was amused with your response, so he forwarded it to me. The is what he said:

LMAO. Listen to this response.

Question:
So you're telling me that if I take two capsules of your DNP, that is exactly the equivalent of 500 mg of DNP?

His answer:
I understand. That's what I've tried my best to clarify in my product write-up ("The capsules I make are 250mg of AWESOME lab-grade crystal, not industrial powder...To make it clear: the DNP dose is 250mg, PLUS the blended compound"), so the crystal salt content only alters that dose by a matter of negligible milligrams.

Looks like he is either evading the question or he is oblivious to the salt content of crystal DNP

Wait a sec. The "crystal salt content only alters that dose by a matter of negligible milligrams"? Since when is 25% or 62.5mg negligible? You intentionally mislead him. I think that's shameful. I also think it's shameful to say you're putting more quercetin into your caps than you actually are. This is what you said:

Caps are size 0, which isn't too large but it's what my capsule press uses. Of those 600mg, 250 are DNP. About 200 more is quercetin (a concentrated extract), and 150 of combined sulbutiamine, taurine and antioxidants (ones that I chose with particular care for their ability to be effective in small doses, knowing that the amount would not be large).

As anyone who is familiar with quercetin can tell you, it has a very low density. 200mg of quercetin would fill up over 70% of the cap, not leaving enough space for the other powders you've listed. Nice try.

Originally Posted by Dinitro

People who have used the caps I use remark that they work better than any other type they've ever tried, and the feedback is overwhelmingly positive, which is really what counts.

I wouldn't expect bad feedback about your product. I've actually recommended it for a long time now. Rather, what I don't like are the false explanations. Also, you can find positive feedback on everything. For example, just the other day in PG's log at bb.com:

DNP still going, day 17. Gotta say i like P's way better then D's strength is still good, and going up.

Originally Posted by Dinitro

And FWIW, even 100mg of powder rather than crystal would still need plenty of doses a day to get to the 500mg or more that becomes effective. That's not an opinion issue, it's just a fact. The dose is so low, it'll take more.

Not sure where you came up with "500mg or more" for an effective dose. Even 200mg/day of actual DNP will increase metabolic rate, on average, by an impressive 30%. Most guys running logs now around here and bb.com are using 200-400mg/day of actual DNP. Yes, the 100mg caps are lower than the 200 or 250 mg crystal caps, but this is one of their primary strengths. They allow you to make small jumps and fine tune your dose, which is essential with something like DNP. In the original clinical research, they went up 75mg at a time. I think much more than that is an excessive increment. As Simkins said in his extensive clinical research on DNP, "It is remarkable how sensitive many patients are to a slight increase in the dosage." I know I'd much rather pay less per cap for more 100mg caps than more per cap for fewer 200/250mg crystal caps. Of course, both will get the job done one way or another.

-Conciliator

[Orangejuicer]

Originally Posted by Conciliator

About a year ago someone heard me talk about the salt content of crystal DNP. He then asked you about it. He was amused with your response, so he forwarded it to me. The is what he said:Wait a sec. The "crystal salt content only alters that dose by a matter of negligible milligrams"? Since when is 25% or 62.5mg negligible? You intentionally mislead him. I think that's shameful.

-Conciliator

If you'd ever had french fries, you'd know that salt is good. Sheesh, more like con-silly-ator.


But in all seriousness, planning out a dosing strategy makes sense for all "supplements"(juice, cutters, OTC strength aids), but for DNP it is an incorrect approach. The only days you should have your dosage planned are days 1-4, and that's 100 for ladies 200 for gents. After that, it is on a tolerance basis. every four or so days you reevaluate your tolerance, and then move from there. I assume you're long done with your cycle(I hope ) But it needed to be said.

I can promise you Conciliator would agree with that, at least for a first timer. There are people that have incredible results at 200mg a day, so don't fool yourself into thinking just because some guys run 600-800mg a day that that is where results occur. It is HIGHLY individualized.

-OJ

P.S Don't bother arguing with Con-silly-ator, he knows more than you, your grandma, and her source do combined, and he's VERY willing to share his info.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by Orangejuicer

But in all seriousness, planning out a dosing strategy makes sense for all "supplements"(juice, cutters, OTC strength aids), but for DNP it is an incorrect approach. The only days you should have your dosage planned are days 1-4, and that's 100 for ladies 200 for gents. After that, it is on a tolerance basis. every four or so days you reevaluate your tolerance, and then move from there.

Very well stated.

[xxjaredxx]

always interesting to see new logs come up.
DNP is something very HIGHLY individualized, and personally - I have tried P's and D' Products. Both gentleman are very reputable, and have had pleasure doing business with both. When it comes down to it though
P's = 100 mg POWDER
D's = 187.5 mg POWDER approximately.

In an upcoming cycle, I will be trying a combination of the two. Dosing will be between 575 mg to 750 mg. It is not unusual for me to be taking such high dosages, as I tolerate MUCH better than most.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack
D is def. a good guy, who has a good product.

[xxjaredxx]

Conc. knows more than you though, period.

[theamazing3000]

Not trying to get into your argument over which form of dnp is better or what the content is of the type of dnp dinitro has used. I have used the same kind and have nothing but good things to say about.
Btw. I thought he was done with this whole scene, apparently I have been out of it to long.