Natural HGH

[slim161]

I am considering taking natural HGH. I'm 30 and have had hodgkin's lymphoma 4 times and lots of treatment. First, is the "natural" HGH worth a poop?...and second, is it safe? This is what I am looking at http://www.hgh-depot.com
ryan

[MaxRep]

Don't be fooled by these things.

First, nothing other than injected HGH is actually taking HGH and nothing other than injected HGH does what natural HGH does.

Second, if you read through all their info, you'll see they don't claim to be selling any sort of HGH. What they are selling is what they claim is a product which will increase your own "natural GH".

Third, If you look at the ingredients in that product, you'll see 6 amino acids plus a mineral, for a "proprietary" blend containing 2,800mg's of everything combined. There is no way these amino acids in this preparation are going to increase your natural GH levels. While there are a few studies which suggest a 3 amino acid combo will slightly increase your natural GH output, the quantities of each are in the gram range. Perhaps if you took a two week supply every day, you would get into the quantity range of what the studies used.

Fourth, "is it safe?". Of course taking a few amino acids is safe. Go eat a steak and you'll get all those amino acids and many more.

Now, to the real question, is taking real HGH safe for you with your history? I'm not sure and you should probably get the advice of your Dr.

Best regards,
MaxRep

[dogsoldier]

After looking at the ingredients, I'm surprised. Those shysters usually spike their HGH stuff with B12 and niacin for the added little spike of energy it gives you. These products are usually marketed to older folks and the extra B12 and niacin will give them a pretty good kick in the pants which they assume is their HGH going up. The L-Arginin and Orthinin may, and I do say may, help in lower BP by relaxing the arterial walls. This relaxing of the blood vessels has been reported to put some lead back in a old pencil for some folks. Some after maket ED preperations are just Arginin and Orthinin. You can get the same results from taking ZMA (zinc, magnesium and B12 complex) and a hell of a lot cheaper. But from my research with these aminos is you have to take in the 5grms a day range for any real effect. Nothing that will impact HGH production.

Listen, it's none of my business, but, if you are recovering from Hodgkin's you should really talk with your oncologist or regular MD. If you went through chemo, you may be a candidate for hormone replacement therapy. You didn't say why you wanted to mess with this HGH stuff, but I am assuming you had some big time loss of body mass. Talk with the doc, do not self medicate given your history.

[newscandinavian]

Just thought I'd add to this with an interesting piece of info I came across on Melatonin.

Melatonin:
“Effects of prophylactic N-Acetyl-5-
methoxytryptamine (melatonin)
supplementation and resistance
exercise on serum growth hormone
levels and the hypothalamus-pituitary-
adrenal axis in young males and females.”

Baylor University also conducted a study
on the hormonal effects of melatonin,
which was supported by funding from
Iovate Health Sciences. Sixty physically
active subjects (30 men and 30 women)
were randomly assigned to one of three
groups.They ingested either .5mg of melatonin,
5.0 mg of melatonin, or a placebo.
Subjects underwent blood sampling every
15 min for 60 min after ingesting the supplement.
They then performed a single
bout of resistance exercise, and provided
additional blood samples every 15 min
for another 2 hours. Serum levels of GH,
IGF-1, IGFBP-1, IGFBP-3, and cortisol
were measured.The results were as follows.
5.0 mg melatonin caused a significantly
greater increase in GH (men) than placebo
prior to exercise,whereas both the .5 and
5.0 mg dose of melatonin seemed to cause
a greater increase in GH than placebo
post-exercise. No significant differences
occurred for IGF-1. The 5.0 mg melatonin
dose resulted in higher IGFBP-3 in
males, and .5 caused a higher post-exercise
cortisol response in females. 5mg seemed
to be the most appropriate dose for GH
elevation in males. No exact values were
given.

[dogsoldier]

That article bears some more research. Interesting findings. The question that I would have brought forward is what were the GH levels after say, 24-48 hours? I would see this as critical due muscle repairing itself over several hours, if not days post work out.

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by newscandinavian

Just thought I'd add to this with an interesting piece of info I came across on Melatonin.

I view this study as either garbage or a warning to Not take Melatonin.

1. The supposed increase in GH Does Not increase IGF-1 levels. Big warning here as GH's effects are partially, if not largely, mediated through IGF-1. Any increase in GH should correspondingly increase IGF-1... in fact, the most common test for GH levels is actually a test for IGF-1 levels. So I view any supposed increase in GH, without an increase in IGF-1, as very suspect.

2. The increase in IGF-BP3 is bad news. This stands for IGF-Binding Protein 3. The is the BP that attaches and binds IGF-1. So if there's an increase in IGFBP3, the circulating IGF-1 you do have, is now being bound up at an even higher rate. Which is bad news because it means it can't bind to the IGF-1 receptors, and do all the good things, like satellite cell activation and enhanced protein synthesis, that IGF-1 does.

Best regards,
MaxRep