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I have tried melatonin and sominex with no luck. Any suggestions?
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I have tried melatonin and sominex with no luck. Any suggestions?
If melatonin doesn't work for you, you'll probably have to resort to a prescription sleep aid like lunesta or ambien.
You can get a free sample of lunesta, but still have to see a doc:
http://ww2.lunesta.com/sepracor/run/...e=broad&rd=920

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try Valerian root
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Valerian has worked really well for me. You can get it at any vitamin store. The instructions on the bottle say take one gel tab before bed. I usually take two. Be warned - the stuff smells like hot cat's ass.

Another option, even tho it may seem strange, is Benadryl. A doctor recommended this to me years ago. At its regular dose, it will make you drowsy, and is relatively safe for use over extended periods. Cheap too. Also, it is not inherently habit forming, like many prescription sleep aids.

I have also had great success with reefer and bourbon, too. Good luck.
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Have you tried ZMA (zinc, magnesium and B6)? This stuff works for me. GABA also will help your sleep.
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Try 5HPT AND melantonin. Stay away from the ones BiG Pharma are pushing. Trazadone (25mg) outta do it. Also tends to give you morning wood but possible the hargover effect depending on your baseline dopamine level. Cheap and widely available too. Temazipam is another good one. 15Mg a few times a week wont build up a tolerence. Its a short acting version of valium. Over use can cause dependancy.
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In caes of emergency get some pain killers with codine the one that works really well Mersyndole.
Other then the Codine it also has Doxylamine.

Doxylamine is a member of the ethanolamine class of antihistamines and has anti-allergy power superior to almost every other antihistamine on the market, with the exception of diphenhydramine (Benadryl).[citation needed] It is also the most effective over-the-counter sedative available in the United States[citation needed], and more sedating than some prescription hypnotics. In a study, it was found that doxylamine succinate is possibly more effective than the barbiturate phenobarbital for use as a sedative.[citation needed] For this reason, doxylamine has sometimes been used off label in a manner similar to diphenhydramine for the reduction of anxiety symptoms.

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My wife gets wicked migraines these put her out nicely.
Take 2 and hour before you want to go sleepy nynys.

As zkt mentioned, 5-htp is a good natural substance, I know it is really good for helping production of Serotone levels in the brain for relaxation and less frequent head aches.
I think it may be a natural MOA 2 inhibitor

SEROTONE 5HTP -- 5HTP. Higher Nature Serotone 5 HTP 50mg, 30 Capsules. Amino acid. Support for Serenity. Mind, mood, sleep, depression.

This natural amino acid, called Serotone 5HTP, may help maintain a balanced outlook and a relaxed approach to life. It works by increasing the level of serotonin in the brain, a substance which helps modulate mood and sleep.

Serotone provides the amino acid 5 HTP, the natural precursor of serotin from a West African herb, Griffonia simplicifolia, plus the vitamins and minerals needed to convert it into serotonin.
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In Case of emergency get some pain killers with codeine one that works really well Mersyndole.
Other than the Codeine it also has Doxylamine.

Doxylamine is a member of the ethanolamine class of antihistamines and has anti-allergy power superior to almost every other antihistamine on the market, with the exception of diphenhydramine (Benadryl).[citation needed] It is also the most effective over-the-counter sedative available in the United States[citation needed], and more sedating than some prescription hypnotics. In a study, it was found that doxylamine succinate is possibly more effective than the barbiturate phenobarbital for use as a sedative.[citation needed] For this reason, doxylamine has sometimes been used off label in a manner similar to diphenhydramine for the reduction of anxiety symptoms.

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My wife gets wicked migraines these put her out nicely.
Take 2 an hour before you want to go sleepy nynys.

As zkt mentioned, 5-htp is a good natural substance, I know it is really good for helping production of Serotone levels in the brain for relaxation and less frequent head aches.
I think it may be a natural MAO 2 inhibitor

SEROTONE 5HTP -- 5HTP. Higher Nature Serotone 5 HTP 50mg, 30 Capsules. Amino acid. Support for Serenity. Mind, mood, sleep, depression.

This natural amino acid, called Serotone 5HTP, may help maintain a balanced outlook and a relaxed approach to life. It works by increasing the level of serotonin in the brain, a substance which helps modulate mood and sleep.

Serotone provides the amino acid 5 HTP, the natural precursor of serotin from a West African herb, Griffonia simplicifolia, plus the vitamins and minerals needed to convert it into serotonin.

MAO inhibitors (monoamine oxidase inhibitors) were the first antidepressant drugs invented. While they are quite effective, they can be dangerous if combined with the wrong foods, drugs, or supplements. The substance tyramine, found in some cheeses, beer, fermented soy products, and other foods, is particularly dangerous to combine with these medications. Stimulant drugs such as pseudoephedrine can also cause problems.

Antidepressants in this family include furazolidone (Furoxone), isocarboxazid (Marplan), phenelzine sulfate (Nardil), and tranylcypromine sulfate (Parnate) among others.




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Ephedra

Dangerous Interaction

Because it contains the stimulant ephedrine, combining the herb ephedra with MAO inhibitors can rapidly produce a severe, dangerous interaction and must be avoided. 1


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Scotch BroomDangerous Interaction

The herb scotch broom contains high levels of tyramine, so it should not be taken with MAO inhibitors. 2


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Green Tea

Probable Dangerous Interaction

Because it contains caffeine, green tea should not be combined with MAO inhibitors.


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Ginseng

Possible Dangerous Interaction

According to one report, the combination of ginseng and the MAO inhibitor phenelzine caused worrisome symptoms. 3 While this may have been due to caffeine contamination of the ginseng, we would recommend that you avoid ginseng–MAO inhibitor combinations at this time.


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St. John's Wort

Possible Dangerous Interaction

Current thinking suggests that St. John's wort functions somewhat similarly to SSRI (selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitor) antidepressants. Since SSRIs should not be combined with MAO inhibitors, this herb probably should not be combined either.


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5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan) , SAMe (S-Adenosylmethionine)

Possible Dangerous Interactions

Based on one case report 4 and current thinking on how they work, SAMe (S-adenosylmethionine) and 5-HTP should not be combined with MAO inhibitors.


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References

1. Tatro D (ed.). Drug interaction facts. St. Louis, MO: Facts and Comparisons, 1999: 1037.

2. Brinker F. Interactions of pharmaceutical and botanical medicines. J Naturopathic Med 7(2): 14–20, 1997.

3. Jones BD and Runikis AM. Interaction of ginseng with phenelzine. J Clin Psychopharmacol 7: 201–202, 1987.

4. Iruela LM, et al. Toxic interaction of S-adenosylmethionine and clomipramine. Am J Psych 150: 522, 1993.

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Good stuff:
somidren-gh
Xanaxs
Lights Out

5-HTP
ZMA
GABA
Valerian Root
Typtophan
Shut-Eye
IBE X-dream
Nimbus ABYSS
Benadryl


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Reduction PM
Sominex
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I second the benadryl my OB told me to take that when I was prego so is totally safe to use nightly. the Schiff Melatonin Plus has helped me get to sleep too but I had to change my whole nightly routine to get tired enough to get to sleep. I have had sleep problems for the last 10yrs and didnt want to move on to sleep Rx. (Tip:dont watch anything funny b4 trying to turn in-seems silly but is so true)
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