what do u guys think about the carb blocker supps

[tonyton]

I just bought a suppliment that supposedly lessens the effects of carbohydrates on your slin levels..what do ya think?
crap or not...I mean its got vanadyl in it so it cant be all that bad
its called carb cutter by phase 2

[tonyton]

Originally Posted by Frosty

If it claims to prevent carb digestion, then be observant. Do you have horrible gas? Do you poop out your carbs undigested?

I think these supplements have been shown to work in vitro, but are worthless in vivo. Translation? They don't do anything. Just don't eat the carbs.

I was just going to use it on my cheat day...sunday...pasta day....we will see if it makes a diff...thnks for the reply

[TRIBOL1]

carbs blockers dont work in my oppinion. why would you want to block carbs anyway? ideally you should only be having carbs PWO and PPWO, and you need these carbs to help replenish your glyceron (SP?) stores.

a good sup to use though, is r-ala and biotin, what it does is shuttles the carbs straight into the muscle cells and away from your adipose cells. its been proven as well.

TrIBOL

[tonyton]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Do you have a source on the biotin?

they say its a carb blocker but it really isnt it just lessens the spike of insinilin levels..that some complex carbs do have on your body...

[tonyton]

Originally Posted by TRIBOL1

carbs blockers dont work in my oppinion. why would you want to block carbs anyway? ideally you should only be having carbs PWO and PPWO, and you need these carbs to help replenish your glyceron (SP?) stores.

a good sup to use though, is r-ala and biotin, what it does is shuttles the carbs straight into the muscle cells and away from your adipose cells. its been proven as well.

TrIBOL

boitin...cool....let me see if my guy has it

[esco]

you can get biotin at any vitamin/supp. place. ususally in the same section as the b vitamins.

[TRIBOL1]

Originally Posted by esco

you can get biotin at any vitamin/supp. place. ususally in the same section as the b vitamins.

yup. fast400.com has the r-ala and biotin. biotin helps the r-ala to be more effective.

TrIBOL

[Joker]

Originally Posted by TRIBOL1

yup. fast400.com has the r-ala and biotin. biotin helps the r-ala to be more effective.

TrIBOL

Not the case--I have never seen anything about biotin increasing the effectiveness of lipoic acid. The reason it's in there is because they are structurally similar, and as such, when taking lipoic acid it can reduce the activity of biotin in vivo. I know there is a study out there that was done in the late nineties that did, in fact, show some reduction in biotin activity combined with ALA supplementation. But the doses of ALA used to garner this effect were excessive to the point that no human would ever (in his or her right mind) consume such an amount. And even in such cases, they were shown to be 100% reversible with simple biotin supplementation. Additionally, the reduced biotin activity did not suppress enzyme activity (i.e. pyruvate kinase) to the point of causing any notable dysfunction even without adding supplemental biotin to supra-physiologic dosages.

The reason the biotin is in there is to counteract this potential, yet improbable, threat--nothing more.

Joker

[TRIBOL1]

biotin helps your body use the r-ala thus making it more effective IMO but you dont really need it to make it work, id recommend it though. i will try to find some literature and references on this for the bro that asked. i have never seen any as im going with what i been reading/posts from the boards/bro's.

TrIBOL

[Peace Division]

Originally Posted by Joker

Not the case--I have never seen anything about biotin increasing the effectiveness of lipoic acid. The reason it's in there is because they are structurally similar, and as such, when taking lipoic acid it can reduce the activity of biotin in vivo. I know there is a study out there that was done in the late nineties that did, in fact, show some reduction in biotin activity combined with ALA supplementation. But the doses of ALA used to garner this effect were excessive to the point that no human would ever (in his or her right mind) consume such an amount. And even in such cases, they were shown to be 100% reversible with simple biotin supplementation. Additionally, the reduced biotin activity did not suppress enzyme activity (i.e. pyruvate kinase) to the point of causing any notable dysfunction even without adding supplemental biotin to supra-physiologic dosages.

The reason the biotin is in there is to counteract this potential, yet improbable, threat--nothing more.

Joker

Not sure if this is the study you are referring to or not, but it pretty much states exactly what you said.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=9278559

[Joker]

Originally Posted by Peace Division

Not sure if this is the study you are referring to or not, but it pretty much states exactly what you said.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=9278559

Good work! That is exactly the study. And my mistake--it wasn't kinase enzymes it was carboxylase enzymes. Nonetheless believe me tribol, that IS the only reason it's in there. You can search all you want but the only place you will find the theory that biotin makes the ala "work better" being propagated is on nutrition/bb boards.

Joker

[Diablo570]

Originally Posted by tonyton

I was just going to use it on my cheat day...sunday...pasta day....we will see if it makes a diff...thnks for the reply

Bro, if you like the taste of paste but dont want the carbs,......bear with me on this on....try some extra firm Tofu in a skillet with some butter spray and meat/fish seasoning. I made it yesterday and it was almost just like pasta, just awsome!

No carbs, no fat and 32 grams of soy (cheap protein) per package and I paid $1 for it at the store.

That was the first time I have ever had Tofu and I loved it. Going to buy a grip of Tofu at the store today while its still on sale. (Vons had it on sale-mainly a CA food chain)
Give it a try bro.
Diablo

[desert]

Originally Posted by TRIBOL1

carbs blockers dont work in my oppinion. why would you want to block carbs anyway? ideally you should only be having carbs PWO and PPWO, and you need these carbs to help replenish your glyceron (SP?) stores.

a good sup to use though, is r-ala and biotin, what it does is shuttles the carbs straight into the muscle cells and away from your adipose cells. its been proven as well.

TrIBOL

I'm with ya bro. Gotta have those carbs to get you through your workouts...protein and fat just dont cut it.
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[tonyton]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Soy is crap and is very unhealthy for you. Check out this link:

http://steroidology.com/forum/showth...threadid=47612

And why not use a little butter instead of butter spray? The equivalent in butter would probably be like 5g of fat, if that.

soy lowers your test levels...and give u the farts!!

[Joker]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Soy is crap and is very unhealthy for you. Check out this link:

http://steroidology.com/forum/showth...threadid=47612

And why not use a little butter instead of butter spray? The equivalent in butter would probably be like 5g of fat, if that.

Frosty is right on this one--I could write pages on the detriments of soy. However, fuck that butter shit too. Butter is absolute garbage and has no place in a good nutrition program. Period. Dig deeper and find out what's in animal fat and you'll learn to restrict it to a minimum in a big hurry. It goes way beyond the simple "protein, carbs, and fat" approach to nutrition and delves into the chemistry of environmental toxins (including heavy metals), pesticides, xenoestrogens, hormone and antibiotic residues, pre-formed arachidonic acid, oxalates, uric acid, and clotting factors. And remember that it takes 23lbs of milk to make one pound of butter. So it's super-concentrated with all the shit that's in the animal and has settled in it's adipose tissue. When you consume animal fat, CONGRATULATIONS! You get the full load of all that good stuff--enjoy! Use olive oil instead-it has the highest oleic acid content and healthy fat that's ideal for cooking.

Joker