MESO-Rx Bodybuilding Political Discourse

sc redneck · #1 (**permalink**) 03-19-2007, 09:27 PM

http://www.filecabi.net/video/GreatBush3.html

hope this works

deathgrip07 · #2 (**permalink**) 03-25-2007, 07:11 PM

That's funny stuff. I must say, he really can't speak well in public. However, I don't really think he's actually retarded, maybe he has trouble reading the teleprompter? I have a friend who is a Marine, who happens to be with the president all the time (security detail) and says Bush is a real down to earth guy, and doesn't stammer in personal conversations. Funny vid though.

Weatherlite · #3 (**permalink**) 03-26-2007, 02:55 PM

What's so misunderstood is that Bush hardley ever uses a teleprompter. he's usually got notes in front of him and speaks extemporaneously (doesn't just read a script). All of these other speakers are reading a script. And your Marine friend is right...very down to earth guy. Very friendly and personable.

I have to ask this question though about those who really think he's stupid...does being able to speak extremely articulately make one a good leader? No, it doesn't. Is it a good trait to have? Of course. Clinton could (and still can) talk a nun out of her virginity (sorry, couldn't resist) but he sucked ass as a leader. Same can be said for many past so-called leaders. And there are some who were the absolute greatest leaders we've ever had and they weren't even educated.

just think about these things a while.

bigcountry76 · #4 (**permalink**) 03-26-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Weatherlite

What's so misunderstood is that Bush hardley ever uses a teleprompter. he's usually got notes in front of him and speaks extemporaneously (doesn't just read a script). All of these other speakers are reading a script. And your Marine friend is right...very down to earth guy. Very friendly and personable.

I have to ask this question though about those who really think he's stupid...does being able to speak extremely articulately make one a good leader? No, it doesn't. Is it a good trait to have? Of course. Clinton could (and still can) talk a nun out of her virginity (sorry, couldn't resist) but he sucked ass as a leader. Same can be said for many past so-called leaders. And there are some who were the absolute greatest leaders we've ever had and they weren't even educated.

just think about these things a while.

People say he is stupid because he did some stupid things.

ForemanRules · #5 (**permalink**) 03-26-2007, 03:22 PM

I could care less how smart he is, all I know is he has conections with al qaeda. The man is a total scumbag and is probably the worst president we have ever had.

Kayz · #6 (**permalink**) 03-26-2007, 10:00 PM

Hitler was articulate and a very good public speaker. Then again, one could make the argument that he was in fact a great leader....afterall, he did convince an entire nation that they needed to help eradicate an entire people from the planet.

Albert Einstein was one of the most brilliant men to ever live, but he was so inarticulate and incapable of explaining a basic thought to the common man it wasn't even funny.

Point being is that public speaking means very little with respect to how a person is able to conduct their business.

Bob Smith · #7 (**permalink**) 03-26-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I could care less how smart he is, all I know is he has conections with al qaeda. The man is a total scumbag and is probably the worst president we have ever had.

Foreman, I really dont understand how you can be such a retarded dumbass. None of your comments, on ANY topic, make the least bit of sense and usually lack all basis in reality. Did you graduate from high school? Did it happen to be an inner-city public school? If so, that would probably help explain a lot of things.

bigcountry76 · #8 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I could care less how smart he is, all I know is he has conections with al qaeda. The man is a total scumbag and is probably the worst president we have ever had.

I never thought this day would come but it has. I actually half ass agree with foremanrules. man what is this world coming too. the only thing i like about bush is he lower the limits on the way you can buy weapons. not weapons of mass destruction of course they are all in Iraq... ha ha ha

ForemanRules · #9 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 10:10 AM

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Foreman, I really dont understand how you can be such a retarded dumbass. None of your comments, on ANY topic, make the least bit of sense and usually lack all basis in reality. Did you graduate from high school? Did it happen to be an inner-city public school? If so, that would probably help explain a lot of things.

Please do not flame me because you are a Republican.

Also your post is racist and that is not cool.

jsupstarz · #10 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bigcountry76

I never thought this day would come but it has. I actually half ass agree with foremanrules. man what is this world coming too. the only thing i like about bush is he lower the limits on the way you can buy weapons. not weapons of mass destruction of course they are all in Iraq... ha ha ha

I AGREE. WHEN YOU SPEND 3 YEARS IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR, YOU BEGIN TO SEE THINGS AS THEY REALLY ARE, ALL FOR NOTHING BUT HIDDEN AGENDAS.

Bob Smith · #11 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 07:38 PM

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Please do not flame me because you are a Republican.

I have been very upset at the Reps for a couple years now and think they all suck almost as much as the Dems. Unfortunately none of this will ever change until we have a 3 party system, preferably with the Libertarians as the 3rd party.

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Also your post is racist and that is not cool.

I didnt mention race one time. It might be prejudiced against lower socio-economic classes, but it had nothing to do with race.

deathgrip07 · #12 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 08:39 PM

The statement that Bush is the worst President ever is not accurate historically. I suggest you look up the records of many other presidents before commenting about Presidential successes and failures. Everybody loved the guy when we bombed Afghanistan back into the stone age... but now that the fight is more difficult, and as the casualties climb, people start pointing the finger, and claim it's a conspiracy, we did it for the oil, we did it because GWB was finishing his fathers business, we did it because Saddam put a hit on Bush 1, we did it because Cheney said to because he would make millions off the oil with Halliburton. So all I ask is... which reason is it? What are all these hidden agendas? I'm not trying to offend anyone, or think that anyone is retarded, I just think you back up a claim like "We're in Iraq for the oil", with at least some reasonable evidentiary support.

bigcountry76 · #13 (**permalink**) 03-28-2007, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by deathgrip07

The statement that Bush is the worst President ever is not accurate historically. I suggest you look up the records of many other presidents before commenting about Presidential successes and failures. Everybody loved the guy when we bombed Afghanistan back into the stone age... but now that the fight is more difficult, and as the casualties climb, people start pointing the finger, and claim it's a conspiracy, we did it for the oil, we did it because GWB was finishing his fathers business, we did it because Saddam put a hit on Bush 1, we did it because Cheney said to because he would make millions off the oil with Halliburton. So all I ask is... which reason is it? What are all these hidden agendas? I'm not trying to offend anyone, or think that anyone is retarded, I just think you back up a claim like "We're in Iraq for the oil", with at least some reasonable evidentiary support.

Has you referr to Bush 1 .. umm Bush jr was told by bush 1 not to go in there. but he didn't listen. I don't think it was a good idea either to go to war. I can truely say that when i was the 3rd vehicle to cross the boarder for the war.

Dionysus · #14 (**permalink**) 03-28-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by deathgrip07

The statement that Bush is the worst President ever is not accurate historically. I suggest you look up the records of many other presidents before commenting about Presidential successes and failures. Everybody loved the guy when we bombed Afghanistan back into the stone age... but now that the fight is more difficult, and as the casualties climb, people start pointing the finger, and claim it's a conspiracy, we did it for the oil, we did it because GWB was finishing his fathers business, we did it because Saddam put a hit on Bush 1, we did it because Cheney said to because he would make millions off the oil with Halliburton. So all I ask is... which reason is it? What are all these hidden agendas? I'm not trying to offend anyone, or think that anyone is retarded, I just think you back up a claim like "We're in Iraq for the oil", with at least some reasonable evidentiary support.

Bush is the worst president ever.

Hidden agenda's aside, he comes accross like a fucking moron, and perception is 99% of reality.
Apologies to weatherlite and some of the other good guys here who seem to support him, but I don't want a president who's "...a pretty cool guy", I don't care if he drives an F-350, I want a president who's gonna look out for America's interests over that of big business, and represent America properly as a superpower, and in those arenas I feel Bush has failed miserably.

Beefy · #15 (**permalink**) 03-28-2007, 04:21 PM

America would be so much better if we simply conquered the entire Middle East. Our country's corporate giants could squeeze every bit of worth out of the area. Our government would benifit from the money, and lose mucho popularity points with the rest of the world (except Australia and Brittan). The common man's life would improve because gas prices should drop and economic stability should be more certain. The people of the Middle East would benefit because they don't know how to run a properly functioning government and act like nice kids. They'd be better off with corporate masters, just like we are.

Weatherlite · #16 (**permalink**) 03-28-2007, 09:02 PM

No offense taken bro. Everyone has their right to an opinion.

I don't think Bush is a great Pres. I do like him though over any of the alternatives at the moment. That's the key here...he's the lesser of the evils for the most part.

I just wish that now that he doesn't have to worry about being re-elected he would find his balls and wipe the middle east off the face of the earth. Yes, this is an unconventional war but we sure as hell could take over that whole place with conventional means. We need to quit acting like a bunch of pussies and be the lion we're supposed to be!

Kayz · #17 (**permalink**) 03-28-2007, 10:07 PM

Kill their women and children...eliminate their ability to procreate.

Dionysus · #18 (**permalink**) 03-29-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Weatherlite

No offense taken bro. Everyone has their right to an opinion.

I don't think Bush is a great Pres. I do like him though over any of the alternatives at the moment. That's the key here...he's the lesser of the evils for the most part.

There is some truth to that, although it is only conjecture.

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I just wish that now that he doesn't have to worry about being re-elected he would find his balls and wipe the middle east off the face of the earth. Yes, this is an unconventional war but we sure as hell could take over that whole place with conventional means. We need to quit acting like a bunch of pussies and be the lion we're supposed to be!

You do understand that Germany is still paying the price for trying to do the same thing you suggest (but on a smaller scale) to the Jews?

oldtimer · #19 (**permalink**) 03-29-2007, 02:53 PM

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Kill their women and children...eliminate their ability to procreate.

I expected that post from Weatherlite, but not from you Kayz.

Sure thing, come kill our children, but stop acting civil when in truth you are no better than the next sucide bomber.

Kayz · #20 (**permalink**) 03-29-2007, 05:32 PM

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I expected that post from Weatherlite, but not from you Kayz.

Sure thing, come kill our children, but stop acting civil when in truth you are no better than the next sucide bomber.

I was just joking Oldtimer...I meant to end that with "J/K". You know I respect you man and would never wish harm on you or your family. I was being a bit cynical in that at this point in time, I don't see either side backing down and I don't see an end to this in sight...so all of the "we should do this and we should do that" talk is ridiculous IMO.