Could Hillary run on an Independent Ticket??

[dennis]

If true conservatives really ran this country for the past 8 years we would not be in this situation,again..the truth is..the democrats controll congress,supreme court,etc...freaking uneducated liberals are who is responsible for todays economy and other problems we face.And truth be known..I am not a McCain supporter either..but probably will be forced to vote for him so a Muslim will not win.I am for a "fair tax",for tapping into our own resources,less freaking goverment run programs and red tape,and for killing as many of our enemies as possible.

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by dennis

Damn Bro..nice resume ! How bout you running for president ? The problem with today's goverment is there is a republican president with tied hands because the democrats control damn near everything else.The war is fucked up because the goverment will not turn the army loose and let them take care of business.I bet you if the military was allowed to make the decisions that war would have been over long ago.Biceps..does it scare you that the liberals want your guns ?Does it bother you that liberals want to be "green" and not go after our own natural resources?Does it bother you that liberals want goverment to run all aspects of your life ?Do the pictures of Obama wearing robes and a rag on his head not worry you ?

Hmmm... you are very interesting for sure. You are definitely a bleeding GOP through and through which is definitely your right.

I do like how you claim that the problem with today's government is that there is a republican president with his hands tied because he doesn't have control. Very interesting. I mean for 6 out of almost 8 years their was republican control of both houses and senate as well as republican control on the supreme court..
Oh and before the 2006 Governor primaries in 36 states, the Republican party had 28 governors compared to the democrats 22.
But you call that having the president hands tied. Amazing.
And lets not forget that some of those republican seats were abandon due to scandals involving the Republican party.

Many of his top initiatives were passed and yet you say his hands are tied? No child left behind, Homeland Security, Iraq War, Troop Surge, Yearly increase in Millitary budget, cuts in programs, Medicaid Legislation, and much more. Confirmation of almost appointee to posts available. Oh and lets not forget Wiretapping and spying on domestic citizens, passage of FISA and more.

But to you his hands were tied.

[novicebb]

And the Democrats only lead the senate by 1 but when you include the fact that Joe Liberman is an independent who support many of the republican agenda and the Republican Candidate John McCain then you have a tie in the Senate.

Senator Kennedy duties maybe seriously impaired if not scaled back because of his illness. Also Tim Johnson of South Dakota and Senator Byrd of West Virginia are both suffering health or have suffered health issues which may effect the so called democratic control.

And Dennis you say that you don't like John McCain but you maybe forced to vote for him. Why? Have you forgotten that Libertarian Candidate Bob Barr is also running for president?

I still wish that Ron Paul was running. Definitely would love for him to run on the Libertarian ticket. We need to close some of our bases, bring troops from Sovereign countries like Germany, Japan, Turkey and others. We would save hundreds of billions in savings a year. He believes in protecting the constitution, getting out of many middle east affairs and focusing on this country and our needs for better education, more police on the streets and less government.

[dennis]

The reason I am "forced" to vote for Mc Cain is because more than likely Barrack is going to have the best chance to win..something I would hate to see.The second largest vote will be Mc Cain..if we vote for independant or libertarian which will be a very small portion of USA's votes it will ensure Barracks win.The more I am hearing about McCain the more I do not like him..he is too liberal for me.I will look into the other guy you suggested(Barr?)..I want big goverment out of my life..I want illegals here to pay taxes...close the borders,get tougher on war against terrorists,fire the IRS,go to fair tax system,explore and develope more of our own recources..stop giving money to those who are too lazy to work...etc...

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by dennis

The reason I am "forced" to vote for Mc Cain is because more than likely Barrack is going to have the best chance to win..something I would hate to see.The second largest vote will be Mc Cain..if we vote for independant or libertarian which will be a very small portion of USA's votes it will ensure Barracks win.The more I am hearing about McCain the more I do not like him..he is too liberal for me.I will look into the other guy you suggested(Barr?)..I want big goverment out of my life..I want illegals here to pay taxes...close the borders,get tougher on war against terrorists,fire the IRS,go to fair tax system,explore and develope more of our own recources..stop giving money to those who are too lazy to work...etc...

Definitely. We need smaller government. We need to improve our school systems and educate more American born Engineers, Doctors and other professionals while discouraging so many lawyers.

We also need more independent candidates winning office across the country. Yes I agree with you we need to close the border but not just the Mexican border but also the Canadian border, make any illegal alien not just mexicans pay taxes.

It is so much that needs to be done that even if things start positively right now I am afraid it will 20 years or so before we can turn this shit around.

I do disagree with you on one thing. I don't think America needs to get tougher on terrorism. We are tough enough. The problem is we have an ignorant policy involving the war on Terrorism.

I hear people state that we need to get tougher and I ask with what . We are stretched thin militarily. We have other threats other then just terrorists. We have Iran that is trying to acquire nuclear weapons, we have an ever powerful China which will be a very formidable opponent both militarily and economically.

It is going to be hard to fight a war on terror when we are bleeding in wealth and becoming a poorer country every day.

I understand your fear in voting for a Libertarian this year but let me try and make a point if you don't mind. If a Libertarian candidate can get a significant number of votes this year, it may bold well for this country in future elections. Yes Barack may win but your vote would be helping strengthening a third party political group for the future. It will make it more likely that Libertarians will be elected as governors, senators, representatives, mayors and so on and so forth.

We need a third party political group to shake up this country and to force political groups to work with each other in non partisan factions instead of the current system.

Democrats and Republicans are destroying this country. Both want to take our rights way, bleed us of wealth, weaken us within and create larger governments.

[bulkman123]

hopefully Hilary dies before the idea pops in her stupid ugly head. she would destroy this already pussified country

[dennis]

Originally Posted by novicebb

Definitely. We need smaller government. We need to improve our school systems and educate more American born Engineers, Doctors and other professionals while discouraging so many lawyers.

We also need more independent candidates winning office across the country. Yes I agree with you we need to close the border but not just the Mexican border but also the Canadian border, make any illegal alien not just mexicans pay taxes.

It is so much that needs to be done that even if things start positively right now I am afraid it will 20 years or so before we can turn this shit around.

I do disagree with you on one thing. I don't think America needs to get tougher on terrorism. We are tough enough. The problem is we have an ignorant policy involving the war on Terrorism.

I hear people state that we need to get tougher and I ask with what . We are stretched thin militarily. We have other threats other then just terrorists. We have Iran that is trying to acquire nuclear weapons, we have an ever powerful China which will be a very formidable opponent both militarily and economically.

It is going to be hard to fight a war on terror when we are bleeding in wealth and becoming a poorer country every day.

I understand your fear in voting for a Libertarian this year but let me try and make a point if you don't mind. If a Libertarian candidate can get a significant number of votes this year, it may bold well for this country in future elections. Yes Barack may win but your vote would be helping strengthening a third party political group for the future. It will make it more likely that Libertarians will be elected as governors, senators, representatives, mayors and so on and so forth.

We need a third party political group to shake up this country and to force political groups to work with each other in non partisan factions instead of the current system.

Democrats and Republicans are destroying this country. Both want to take our rights way, bleed us of wealth, weaken us within and create larger governments.

very nice points !

[F_T_W]

Originally Posted by novicebb

Hmmm... you are very interesting for sure. You are definitely a bleeding GOP through and through which is definitely your right.

I do like how you claim that the problem with today's government is that there is a republican president with his hands tied because he doesn't have control. Very interesting. I mean for 6 out of almost 8 years their was republican control of both houses and senate as well as republican control on the supreme court..
Oh and before the 2006 Governor primaries in 36 states, the Republican party had 28 governors compared to the democrats 22.
But you call that having the president hands tied. Amazing.
And lets not forget that some of those republican seats were abandon due to scandals involving the Republican party.

Many of his top initiatives were passed and yet you say his hands are tied? No child left behind, Homeland Security, Iraq War, Troop Surge, Yearly increase in Millitary budget, cuts in programs, Medicaid Legislation, and much more. Confirmation of almost appointee to posts available. Oh and lets not forget Wiretapping and spying on domestic citizens, passage of FISA and more.

But to you his hands were tied.

Check and mate.
Well that post shoots down the blame everybody but the guilty theory.

[novicebb]

Thank you LTW

Hey Dennis if you ever get a chance, I invite you to just check out some videos of Ron Paul on youtube. I will bet you that you may wish you voted for him during the Primaries and had a chance to vote for him during this year General Election.

[F_T_W]

Originally Posted by novicebb

Thank you LTW

Hey Dennis if you ever get a chance, I invite you to just check out some videos of Ron Paul on youtube. I will bet you that you may wish you voted for him during the Primaries and had a chance to vote for him during this year General Election.

Ron Paul had the best idea and best game plan out of all of them and his record backed it up. It flat out sux the the man most qualified for the job never was gave a chance. IMO i think it was caused by the media but there sure hell not "Liberal", because the way Paul was blackballed has noting to do with Liberty.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by novicebb

Thank you LTW

Hey Dennis if you ever get a chance, I invite you to just check out some videos of Ron Paul on youtube. I will bet you that you may wish you voted for him during the Primaries and had a chance to vote for him during this year General Election.

Yes..Ron Paul was really blowing up around here..Austin Texas.And i do wish he was still in the race so we could vote for him to help send a signal to other americans/politicians that we are ready for a change..that change not being Obama/McCain....I voted for Mike Huckabee in the primaries.

[F_T_W]

Ron Paul not only talks the talk, but walks the walk.
Just read here about how he was only 1 of 3 Congressmen who was against the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 that Bush and McCain pushed so hard to get passed.
President Bush Signs Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 into law
I will be glad when Bush is gone but he was "the better choice",,, I guess.
There is no choices now you just gota pick between bad and worse.

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by F_T_W

Ron Paul not only talks the talk, but walks the walk.
Just read here about how he was only 1 of 3 Congressmen who was against the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 that Bush and McCain pushed so hard to get passed.
President Bush Signs Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 into law
I will be glad when Bush is gone but he was "the better choice",,, I guess.
There is no choices now you just gota pick between bad and worse.

I love Ron Paul and his policies. I would love it if he and Bob Barr would run on the same ticket. Yeah you right it is between bad and worst right now although I don't think Obama is as bad as many you believe. I just don't like that he doesn't have more experience.

I still think that John McCain will not run after the Republican Convention. I think the Republicans won't to keep power so bad that they will nominate someone else and John McCain will bow out due to so supposed health issues.

Bush was definitely not a good choice. If another Republican wins office then you will not here of some of the crimes committed by this administration but I would definitely prefer a Libertarian in the Whitehouse no matter his race or sex.

[NickM357]

Wow, I don't see how any one would vote for a republican after what they did. Just remember I told you so when they start raiding your houses w/o a warrant and popping you for your gear (and before you say those powers are limited to terrorism, the FISA act does not require any mention of terrorism to tap phones etc.; and the un-PATRIOT-ic act has been used to bust people for fishing w/o a license before, they claimed they thought they were terroists and even when they were wrong they still had a case; they are slowly chipping away at our god given rights).

Also the economy is in the tank and we are still using oil (because the republicans are either part of big oil or in their pockets). If we built 1.5 million windmills (which help to reverse global warming by taking energy from the atmosphere and energy=heat) it would account for 50% of our energy needs. And 1.5 million is not alot, we produce 65 million cars a year; we could have it done in a couple years if we put our mind to it. At it is always windy high up where the windmills would be. Then we could use some solar, and we have tons of natural gas which burns clean and could even be used for cars if managed properly (in europe it is being safely used in autos already). And we could get 150 miles to the gallon in an SUV with the proper energy efficient design.

And then he increases spending by starting an unnecessary war which he lied to us to get into, all the while giving huge tax cuts to the wealthiest few percent (giving tax cuts to the poor and middle class actually stimulates the economy more, they spend the money which stimulates the growth of businesses. The rich won't build factories just because they have the money, they need people to have the funds to buy their goods). The gap between the rich and the poor is widening at an alarming rate and the middle class is being destroyed. So if you want to give all your money to the rich and not even be able to keep up with inflation vote republican, voodoo economics won't give you food, clothes, and shelter. Even Allen Greenspan and Lee Iococa have recently said the gap has gotten too big and is destroying our economy (the gap widened like this before the great depression).

Obama is not a muslim, did not go to muslim schools, and does not hate the people of america (Mark Twain once said "real patriots love their country and hate their government" also another wise man said "you should love the people always and your government when it deserves it"). Also, he is leading in the polls and is substantially ahead of McCain (I've actually been volunteering for his campaign because I am so disgusted with the Republicans who have been using "tyranny of the majority" for too long and not respecting others opinions and going to extremes that have destroyed this country's economy etc.) and the media is making it look closer than it is so people will be excited and watch. I'm not saying McCain has no chance but right now Obama is ahead and the world seems infatuated with him (another plus, he can help to repair horrible foreign policy that has put us in danger of another 9/11, which happened on Bush's watch).

[NickM357]

Ron Paul is okay on some issues, but I want to vote for someone who will provide universal health care (health care is a basic human right) and fix social security and welfare (I think welfare should be easier to get, but harder to keep unless you are trying to work, just had a child (and state daycare centers could be set up like they are in some countries), or are disabled). We have to stop this extremely uneven economic distribution (the top 1% have 50% of the wealth, the top 10% have 90% and the lower 80% have less than 5%) and tax the hell (I'm not saying take all their money but we could take quite a bit and not even change their lifestyle) out of the super rich to fix this countries infrastructure, build alternate energy companies, public advanced education, better medical, etc.

Oh, and Hillary will not run as an independent, she will support Obama; the democratic party will not let her do anything else.