George W. AWOL

[greyowl]

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This draft-dodger, liar and coward is clearly unfit to serve in any public capacity except as dog-catcher of Plano Texas.

[Fast Food]

Originally Posted by greyowl

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This draft-dodger, liar and coward is clearly unfit to serve in any public capacity except as dog-catcher of Plano Texas.

i get this....

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[greyowl]

Sep 9, 10:33 AM EDT
Memos: Bush Suspended From Guard Flying
By PETE YOST
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Addressing questions that have lingered for years, newly unearthed memos state that George W. Bush failed to meet standards of the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam war, that he refused a direct order and that his superiors were in a state of turmoil over how to evaluate his performance after he was suspended from flying.

One military official "is pushing to sugar coat it," one memo says of a proposed evaluation of Bush.

"On this date I ordered that 1st Lt. Bush be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination ... as ordered," says an Aug. 1, 1972 memo by a superior officer, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who is now dead. Killian said in the memo that he wanted a formal inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the flight suspension. No records have surfaced that one was ever conducted.

"I conveyed my verbal orders to commander," Killian's memo stated.

The same memo notes that Bush was trying to transfer to non-flying status out of state and recommends that the Texas unit fill his flying slot "with a more seasoned pilot from the list of qualified Vietnam pilots that have rotated."
The Vietnam-era documents add details to the bare-bones explanation of Bush's aides over the years that he was suspended simply because he decided to skip his flight physical.

The White House said in February that it had released all records of Bush's service, but one of Killian's memos stated it was "for record" and another directing Bush to take the physical exam stated that it was "for 1st Lt. George W. Bush."

"I can't explain why that wouldn't be in his record, but they were found in Jerry Killian's personal records," White House communications director Dan Bartlett told CBS's "60 Minutes II," which first obtained the memos.

Bartlett said Bush's superiors granted permission to train in Alabama in a non-flying status and that "many of the documents you have here affirm just that."

A memo dated May 19, 1972, five days after Bush was supposed to have completed his physical, summarizes a telephone discussion with Bush about how he "can get out of coming to drill from now through November." It says Bush was "told he could do ET for three months or transfer." ET referred to equivalent training, a procedure for meeting training requirements without attending regularly scheduled drills.

The same memo says "we talked abut him getting his flight physical situation fixed" and quotes Bush as saying he would "do that in Alabama if he stays in a flight status." It also says, "I advised him of our investment in him and his commitment."

Democratic Party chairman Terry McAuliffe said, "George W. Bush's cover story on his National Guard service is rapidly unraveling. ... George W. Bush needs to answer why he regularly misled the American people about his time in the Guard and who applied political pressure on his behalf to have his performance reviews 'sugarcoated'"

Bartlett told CBS, "As it says in your own documents, President Bush talked to the commanders about the fact that he'd be transferring to a unit ... in Alabama that didn't fly that plane," the F-102, the type Bush was trained in.
Using only last names, one of the newly disclosed documents points to sharp disagreement among Bush's superiors in Texas over how to evaluate his performance for the period from mid-1972 through mid-1973.

"Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush," Killian wrote on Aug. 18, 1973.

"I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job - Harris gave me a message today from Grp regarding Bush's OETR and Staudt is pushing to sugar coat it. Bush wasn't here during rating period and I don't have any comments from 187th in Alabama. I will not rate." Grp refers to a military unit and OETR stands for officer efficiency training report.

The memo concludes: "Harris took the call from Grp today. I'll backdate but won't rate. Harris agrees."

At the time, Walter B. Staudt was commander of the Texas National Guard; Lt. Col. Bobby Hodges was one of Bush's superiors in Texas who two years earlier had rated Bush an outstanding young pilot; and Lt. Col. William D. Harris Jr. was another superior of Bush's.

Records released this year when Bush's military service re-emerged as a campaign issue contain no evidence that he showed up for duty at all for five months in mid-1972 and document only a few occasions later that year.

Asked about Killian's statement in a memo about the military's investment in Bush, Bartlett told CBS: "For anybody to try to interpret or presume they know what somebody who is now dead was thinking in any of these memos, I think is very difficult to do."
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Whatever dude. Hey Grey, get ready for 4 more years of Bush. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

K-

[scientificTheGreat]

LMAO Indeed Bush will get 4 more

Kerry is trying his hardest to get him and his shit war record out of the spotlight turning the light towards Bush. Now the problem with this is that Kerry , the idiot he is, will keep referring to his war record in his speeches. IMO though, They both scare me in the Presidential seat. But atleast Bush knows what he is doing and stands FIRMLY in his positions and judgements. Kerry, who knows what the hell he is going to do??!?!?!??!!

[eleven11]

What does any of this have to do with today. You guys tried this 4yrs ago and it didn't matter then so what makes you think it does now. He's already been elected once and considering EVERYTHING thats been laid on his table I think he's done a pretty good job( I do believe he spends to much money though, except on the military) but you libs should like that, or does it only count when YOUR spending it.
But I understand why kerry is doing what he's doing, he has no record of his own to run on...............11

[SwordofRevenge]

Oh Kerry's got a record alright eleven it just blows

[Quasimoto]

Originally Posted by SwordofRevenge

Oh Kerry's got a record alright eleven it just blows

Please give me 1 FACTUAL example of Kerrys poor record in the senate. Just 1 SOR....

[SwordofRevenge]

Just 1 ?
Unclear of his own stance - http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...6/172138.shtml

[Quasimoto]

Originally Posted by SwordofRevenge

Just 1 ?
Unclear of his own stance - http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...6/172138.shtml

I asked for one instance showing a poor senatorial record..I was hoping to see votes or something...

You accept this site as media ? Its an all out insult fest bro...Very biased..

[esco]

For example, at the end of the cold war, Mr. Kerry advocated scaling back the Central Intelligence Agency, but after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, he complained about a lack of intelligence capability. In the 1980's, he opposed the death penalty for terrorists who killed Americans abroad, but he now supports the death penalty for terrorist acts. In the 1990's, he joined with Republican senators to sponsor proposals to end tenure for public school teachers and allow direct grants to religion-based charities, measures that many Democratic groups opposed. In 1997, he voted to require elderly people with higher incomes to pay a larger share of Medicare premiums

Quasi,

Why should we waste our time looking for specifics dealing with his voting record. We already know he is one of the most liberal politicans in the country. We also know liberalism has failed miserably and the only way democrats gets elected is to run as a centralist, and distorting who they really are.

Liberals blow.

K-

Originally Posted by Quasimoto

I asked for one instance showing a poor senatorial record..I was hoping to see votes or something...

You accept this site as media ? Its an all out insult fest bro...Very biased..

[esco]

While campaigning in Las Vegas for the five electoral votes of the currently deadlocked state of Nevada, Mr. Kerry declared his opposition to the high-level nuclear waste repository being built at Yucca Mountain: "I can sum up my stance on the Yucca Mountain Plan in four words: Not on my watch. As a senator, I voted against it. And as president, I will do everything in my power to ensure your backyard does not become America's nuclear waste dump."

Actually, Mr. Kerry did all that a senator could do to ensure that Nevada was the site of the waste repository in 1987 by voting for the "Screw Nevada" bill, which essentially singled out the state as the site of the nuclear waste repository. Mr. Kerry voted six other times for measures supporting the project. In 1987, he voted for a provision (different from the "Screw Nevada" bill) that made the Yucca project almost inevitable. In 1997, Mr. Kerry voted against a provision, sponsored by the minority whip, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, that would have required the written consent of governors for nuclear waste to be transported across state lines.
Messrs. Reid and Kerry now dismiss those pro-Yucca votes as meaningless and procedural. But as Mr. Reid's Senate Republican counterpart, Sen. John Ensign, noted, "[Mr Kerry's] voting record until 1997 is one of supporting the repository." Mr. Kerry's support went beyond that. Yesterday, the Las Vegas Sun reported that in 1999, Mr. Kerry and three other senators sent a letter to the Energy and Natural Resources Committee chairman calling for "an accelerated [nuclear] waste acceptance schedule." The only possible place for those depositions was Yucca Mountain.

[SwordofRevenge]

Originally Posted by Quasimoto

I asked for one instance showing a poor senatorial record..I was hoping to see votes or something...

You accept this site as media ? Its an all out insult fest bro...Very biased..

Bro a good senator should know his voting record. I realize newsmax is a right wing publication but it is a clear example of his waffling in this case. Would you accept CNN as media despite is left leaning bias?

[Kayz]

I'll give you an example of a bad record...

what about missing 76% of all votes?? How is that for a bad record???

Kerry's Attendance Record