Iran?

[Beefy]

I'm confused. Are any of the people posting in this thread living outside of the US? Are you from another country originally, and now you live here in America? I don't understand how someone could be a citizen of the most dominant nation ever and be pissed about how dominant their nation is.

How does that work? What would be your happy alternative to the US domination? Maybe life would be better if some how Iran dominated the globe as we do. Instead of forcing "free speech democratic" government down everyone's throat the world would have a towel wrapped around its head and be forced to pray facing east three times daily or else die.

And the US is in no way economically similar to the USSR. We are a capitalist based economy with free speech and free religion, unlike the USSR's communist dictatorship.

[Grizzly]

"Dear Editor:

As Iran removed UN seals at some of its atomic research sites and proceeded with its nuclear program, German newspapers reported that the United States is coordinating with NATO for a possible military action against Iran.

As the fatherland of Islamic totalitarianism, Iran should have been our main target in this war.

In taking military action, our goal should not be to bring Iranians the vote, but to destroy the Iranian regime and the cause it fights for. We must instill fear in every person who aids or fights for Islamic totalitarianism.

We have ignored the Iranian threat for far too long. When we did the same with Afghanistan and bin Laden, we lost the Twin Towers. We can't afford to keep appeasing Iran and risk losing New York.

Yaron Brook"

That about sums up my thoughts on the matter.

[Beefy]

Originally Posted by swing

I've travelled to more than 20 countries, and the OVERWHELMING majority of the populations have stated they want us out of their country. We're like parasites, everywhere we go we cause mayhem.

Power corrupts...and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

They want us out because we are using them to our benefit. We are there for our own interests. And why else should/would we be there? Did Rome conquer Gaul to benefit the Germanics? Maybe Caesar told a few cheifs the same tired line we tell everyone we occupy and use, "We're here to help."

Power does corrupt, but I am very thankful that I am a citizen of the power and not someone in another country at the mercy of the US.

Throughout history tribes, kingdoms, and nations have warred for control of the scarce resources available. This will never end. If/when the US is no longer dominant, someone else will be. The world will never exist in peace with everybody sharing.

But the reason you even own a computer and have access to the internet and sleep in a bed and drive a car and essentially live like a prince compared to most of the world is because the US dominates. If you feel so strongly about sharing, why don't you sell your computer, buy some rice, and send it to someone in Albania or Honduras or some other shit hole country that we've exploited like parasites to benefit from their inferiority.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Beefy

They want us out because we are using them to our benefit. We are there for our own interests. And why else should/would we be there? Did Rome conquer Gaul to benefit the Germanics? Maybe Caesar told a few cheifs the same tired line we tell everyone we occupy and use, "We're here to help."

Power does corrupt, but I am very thankful that I am a citizen of the power and not someone in another country at the mercy of the US.

Throughout history tribes, kingdoms, and nations have warred for control of the scarce resources available. This will never end. If/when the US is no longer dominant, someone else will be. The world will never exist in peace with everybody sharing.

But the reason you even own a computer and have access to the internet and sleep in a bed and drive a car and essentially live like a prince compared to most of the world is because the US dominates. If you feel so strongly about sharing, why don't you sell your computer, buy some rice, and send it to someone in Albania or Honduras or some other shit hole country that we've exploited like parasites to benefit from their inferiority.

You're arguing against a pervasive anti-Western philosophy, beefy, ol' buddy. Nothing the west, particularly the US, does is right. The only people who have a right to the opinion that they are superior and right are little brown militants who wish to remove reason as the guiding force of society and replace it with faith in an invisible being.(uhhhh, I may have went into a bit of an op/ed there, but whatever)

Point is, when Indians(with a dot not a feather) farm with friggin' oxen instead of a John Deere, they are celebrated for "embracing their culture" or whatever nonsense the hippies spout. But then, we, the producers, those smart enough to use technology to create greater yields, are vilified for having so much.

Fuck that! You want to farm like they did in the 13th century, then you eat like it too.

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Kayz

LOL....you read one book and can say with a straight face that America is NOT just and great??? Wow. I too could do a google and find really long articles to support any point I make. I could also cite books that support my point. HOwever, you have yet to make a point or offer your own take/opinion...all you have done is criticized everyone else's opinions while offering no original thoughts. I'm interested in what YOU think...what should we do (if anything) with Iran??? (I answered that question in my first post...go back and read it) How should we handle Palestine and Isreal???

Look, I'm not saying that America has never done bad things and killed/harmed innocent civilians, but to label this country as unjust is a little over the top IMO. It is very easy for people to point out the negative all the time, but difficult to admit that the US does more good for the world and it's other nations than any 2 countries combined. Everything is relative. It's this constant doom and gloom that makes me sick. Nothing in life is perfect, but you have to deal with things the way they are. Hell, this conversation would not even be permitted in many of the countries we speak of. Everyone on this board always says "..if you support the war, then you go over there a fight it." Well, if you don't like this country and feel that it has been unjust since it's creation, then leave!!!! You, Streisand, Penn, and Baldwin can hang out in a 3rd world country.

More like a few dozen books...the best way to be educated is to read from a varity of sources, if all a person did was read government approved history books then they don't know anything about American history......thats like watching Top Gun and thinking you know how to fly a jet...

I agree that most countrys have many dark and dirty things in their historys........but we are not talking about All countries here.

[Kayz]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

More like a few dozen books...the best way to be educated is to read from a varity of sources, if all a person did was read government approved history books then they don't know anything about American history......thats like watching Top Gun and thinking you know how to fly a jet...

I agree that most countrys have many dark and dirty things in their historys........but we are not talking about All countries here.

I too read a great number of books on a wide variety of topics...both conservative and liberal. I agree that one must see both sides before forming a truly educated opinion. Have you ever read a book in which the US is looked upon favorably for the good things they do??

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Kayz

I too read a great number of books on a wide variety of topics...both conservative and liberal. I agree that one must see both sides before forming a truly educated opinion. Have you ever read a book in which the US is looked upon favorably for the good things they do??

Yes.....every book I read in school from grades 1-16 was extremly positive about America.

[Dionysus]

All of the stupid brainwashed flag-waving dim-wits will have only themselves to thank for allowing our government to continue its pogrom of greed and blatant corruption.
Our so called "great" leaders are quickly selling us down the river through free trade agreements and globalization.

The US is rapidly becoming a consumer-only nation, with little or no production or exports.

All of our jobs are going to china, india and mexico. Just look at a few labels, everything is made in china.
Our domestic cars are even being outsourced. My GMC truck was made in canada.

Brazil is now the #1 exporter of food.

The neo-conservative push in our government wants to open our borders to mexico to fill [Quote from GWBush] "...jobs americans won't take."
That is total BULL@$#%, its more like jobs americans can't afford to take because we have to pay for climbing property tax, medical insurance, school tuitions, etc.

Guess what that will mean for the remaining few jobs we have... Do you really believe companys will pay a fair salary and medical benifits/pensions to americans when it can just pay a mexican 10$ an hour with no bennys?

Right...

As for Iran... Lets deal in reality people. Iran poses no real nuclear threat to the US. The only threat they hold over us is that they plan on selling their oil in Euros instead of US dollars. I dont expect many of you to know the far reaching implications of that, but trust me it will affect each and every one of YOU.

Saddam started selling oil in Euros right before we invaded Iraq.

As for other problems in the middle east, simple solution is stop supporting the biggest terrorist nation: Israel. They are no friend to us, brother, plus they have nukes, let them fight their own battles! Not one drop of american blood should ever be spilled over Israel. Period.



P.S. Iran was quoted saying they plan to start selling oil in euros in March, 2006. If I had to put up money, my bet would be shortly after that happens we attack.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

All of the stupid brainwashed flag-waving dim-wits will have only themselves to thank for allowing our government to continue its pogrom of greed and blatant corruption.
Our so called "great" leaders are quickly selling us down the river through free trade agreements and globalization.

The US is rapidly becoming a consumer-only nation, with little or no production or exports.

All of our jobs are going to china, india and mexico. Just look at a few labels, everything is made in china.
Our domestic cars are even being outsourced. My GMC truck was made in canada.

So what your genius proposition must then logically be is for the gov't to forbid companies from moving operations overseas. That's a great idea! Downright capitalistic of you, guvnuh. Shit, you're such a greedy capitalist pig that you resemble a character right out of a Dickens novel.

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

So what your genius proposition must then logically be is for the gov't to forbid companies from moving operations overseas. That's a great idea! Downright capitalistic of you, guvnuh. Shit, you're such a greedy capitalist pig that you resemble a character right out of a Dickens novel.

That would be a good start

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

You're arguing against a pervasive anti-Western philosophy, beefy, ol' buddy. Nothing the west, particularly the US, does is right. The only people who have a right to the opinion that they are superior and right are little brown militants who wish to remove reason as the guiding force of society and replace it with faith in an invisible being.(uhhhh, I may have went into a bit of an op/ed there, but whatever)

Point is, when Indians(with a dot not a feather) farm with friggin' oxen instead of a John Deere, they are celebrated for "embracing their culture" or whatever nonsense the hippies spout. But then, we, the producers, those smart enough to use technology to create greater yields, are vilified for having so much.

Fuck that! You want to farm like they did in the 13th century, then you eat like it too.

Interesting viewpoint.
John Deere operates 17 facilities in the US.
John Deere operates 58 facilities outside of the US.
Thus, like most big business, the bulk of their profits come from the international market.
Defacto: Globalization means that one day that little brown militants offspring will be your offsprings boss.
Unfortunately.
http://www.deere.com/en_US/deerecom/...ldwide_map.pdf

[ForemanRules]

The World Trade Organization is a giant international bureaucracy whose goal is to help businesses by enforcing “free trade”: the freedom of transnationals to do business however they see fit. The WTO places this freedom above all other freedoms, including the freedom to:

eat
drink water
not eat certain things
treat the sick
protect the environment
grow your own crops
organize a trade union
maintain social services
govern
have a foreign policy

All of these freedoms are under attack by huge corporations working under the veil of “free trade,” that mysterious right that we are told must trump all others. (Today, that is; in their developing years, the United States, Britain, and all other industrialized nations heavily protected their industries.)

[Dionysus]

If we allow corporate greed to give away our right to the "American Dream", then we dont deserve it.
Only the strong survive.

[ForemanRules]

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[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

So what your genius proposition must then logically be is for the gov't to forbid companies from moving operations overseas. That's a great idea! Downright capitalistic of you, guvnuh. Shit, you're such a greedy capitalist pig that you resemble a character right out of a Dickens novel.

I believe the governments first and foremost concerns should be AMERICA and jobs for AMERICANS.
Fuck the greedy corperate ga-zillionaires.


...oh, and how does that makes me a capitalist? A nationalist perhaps?