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Is it still racist to talk shit about Palestinians(and, presumably, all the rest of 'em) after the vast majority of their population voted into office a terrorist organization with the mission statement of "destroy Israel"? Haven't they sort of proven that 85% of the country deserves condemnation?
Goddamnit, where is that swing fellow? I laid the bait, now he's supposed to take it.
I'm not proposing we start an anti-Arab coalition or anything. I'm simply saying that if one were to say, "those damned towel heads. :shake head: They're always trying to blow up Jews and whitey", he would not be too far off, now would he? And it wouldn't be because of some predjudice, as the hippies are always claiming, because 3/4 of the country just showed it to be true.
I wasn't going to interject. However, since my wise council has been sought, I will say this: the Palestinians elected Hamas not because of a support for terrorism, rather because Hamas is the only organization capable and willing to provide health care, food, after-school resources, etc. Hamas is also known for their anti-corruption campaign.
By saying that everyone who voted for Hamas, supports terrorism is like saying, "everyone who voted for Bush supports the Iraq War." And we know that polls display otherwise.
Hamas will eventually change their rhetoric, and become a viable and constructive political tool for the Palestinians. They will acknowledge Israel as a state, and offer a cease fire. If you know anything about the ME (which it is obvious you do not) one must remember that 30 years ago, Israel vehemently opposed anything mentioning Palestinian statehood, and murdered thousands of Palestinian Muslims and Christians. History is repeating itself.
I wasn't going to interject. However, since my wise council has been sought, I will say this: the Palestinians elected Hamas not because of a support for terrorism, rather because Hamas is the only organization capable and willing to provide health care, food, after-school resources, etc. Hamas is also known for their anti-corruption campaign.
By saying that everyone who voted for Hamas, supports terrorism is like saying, "everyone who voted for Bush supports the Iraq War." And we know that polls display otherwise.
Hamas will eventually change their rhetoric, and become a viable and constructive political tool for the Palestinians. They will acknowledge Israel as a state, and offer a cease fire. If you know anything about the ME (which it is obvious you do not) one must remember that 30 years ago, Israel vehemently opposed anything mentioning Palestinian statehood, and murdered thousands of Palestinian Muslims and Christians. History is repeating itself.
Not sure what all your credentials are, but I disagree with most of your statement. It is likely true that some voters who voted for hamas did so in part b/c they were sick of the corruptions and failures of the ruling fatah. Nevertheless, hamas is a terror organization, responsible for hundreds of suicide bombings and thousands of terror attacks. The people that voted for them can't be given a "pass" simply b/c hamas may be good at providing health care and after school resources (like suicide kindergarten camps). Hell, I'm sure hitler was very efficient at bringing around the german economy etc., but what was he really?
As far as your statement that Israel vehemently opposed statehood for palestinians, so did Jordan and Egypt at the time. Further, we can see from the last 5 or so years why Israel was opposed to it, the "state" is used as a base to slaughter Israelies.
You might be right that eventually hamas may change it's rhetoric. Arafat did the same thing too. He died a terrorist, and hamas will always be a terrorist organization.
Not sure what all your credentials are, but I disagree with most of your statement. It is likely true that some voters who voted for hamas did so in part b/c they were sick of the corruptions and failures of the ruling fatah. Nevertheless, hamas is a terror organization, responsible for hundreds of suicide bombings and thousands of terror attacks. The people that voted for them can't be given a "pass" simply b/c hamas may be good at providing health care and after school resources (like suicide kindergarten camps). Hell, I'm sure hitler was very efficient at bringing around the german economy etc., but what was he really?
As far as your statement that Israel vehemently opposed statehood for palestinians, so did Jordan and Egypt at the time. Further, we can see from the last 5 or so years why Israel was opposed to it, the "state" is used as a base to slaughter Israelies.
You might be right that eventually hamas may change it's rhetoric. Arafat did the same thing too. He died a terrorist, and hamas will always be a terrorist organization.
I speak arabic, know the history and culture exceptionally well, and have travelled throughout the region extensively due to my field of study (Middle Eastern Studies). I never denied that Hamas is considered an terrorist organization. However, you forgot to mention that for every 1 Israeli civilian killed, there are 3 Palestinian civilians killed by Israel. Just as one can make the claim that Hamas is a terrorist organization, the like can be said concerning Israel and their state sponsored terrorism.
When did Misr oppose a Filistini state? Have you forgotten the Arab/Israeli War, the Jama'at Islamiyyah, and Ikhwan Islamiyyah that have fought for a Palestinian state? Territorial divisions were a source of tension between various Muslim states that claimed mutually exclusive rights to the same territories. Urdan and Sureeya, for example, early after their independence both set their eyes on reconstituting larger Sureea, while Urdan also maintained a claim to Filistine, and Misr over As-Sudan. Therefore, this "opposition" towards a Palestinian statehood was brief, and was primarily due to territorial claims.
The Palestinians must first concern themselves with a political party that will serve THEIR best interest, NOT Israels or The United States. And among all political factions, Hamas has demonstrated on numerous occassions they are the party that can fulfill that need. This will partly entail an eventual change of rhetoric (albeit reluctant) just as Fatah, and the PLO executed.
The people of Filistine possess every right to determine their leaders, just as the Israelis chose a "butcher" (Ariel Sharon) as theirs. Presently, Israel is coasting on survival mode, and another 10 years of the intifada will be calaminous for both Filistine and Israel.
Explain this to me Grizz, why is Hamas considered a terrorist orgnization while the Israeli government is not?
The number of Palastinian civilians killed are more than double those of Israel, yet, we choose to say that the Israeli government is ligit, while Hamas is not.
In my opinion, Hamas is in the wrong with killing people blindly like that, and it's a shit act, but saying "Is it ok to say pali shit heads" while not saying "Israeli government shit heads" is bullshit.
P.S. Notice that I said "Israeli government" not "Israelis".
Is it still racist? 
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