my last race related post

[taser]

my previous posts were somewhat ironic due to my own inability to articulate my thoughts using proper grammar. this was particularly amusing as i was attempting to point out,in somewhat of a sarcastic way,how ignorant blacks can be when it comes to their values and way of life.keep in mind,i was attempting to come across as an angry white guy who just called things the way he saw them;very Archie Bunker like.please pardon my poor grammar and sentence structure and let me get right to the point as this will be my last post regarding blacks. first off,i am not racist and view all men equally.that said,i firmly believe that as we are all born equal,cultures and values are what actually shape us morally and socially. it just seems quite evident to me that the blacks(african american's) as a whole,seem to have different moral values than whites as a whole. if you look at the high birth rates of black american's you will also see that the majority of those births are out of wedlock. this is particularly troubling as no leader's from the black community seem to deal with this issue head on and instead point fingers at our government and educational systems as the root cause of their social ill's.be that as it may,i think its time for our leader's to stand up and address the issue's for what they really are and ask local black leader's to denounce the way their community seems to accept children having children. just accepting the fact that this issue is cultural and should be tolerated or dealt with in the most tender nature defies logic. most of society's problems stem from children born into a world where they have no father. think about it,what a different world it would be if we were more diligent in dealing with this subject and addressing these issues for what they are to black leaders. the real question is whether they acknowledge it as a problem brought on by their own people or whether they push the blame on somebody else....

[Kayz]

LOL....you need to change your handle to GRAND WIZARD. How was the clan meeting tonight??

All joking aside, I know what you are trying to say. I live just outside a big city and I see it everyday.

[Grizzly]

Not a bad post. Now, if you could figure out how to organize by paragraph and capitalize, you'd be right on.

[swing]

Originally Posted by taser

my previous posts were somewhat ironic due to my own inability to articulate my thoughts using proper grammar. this was particularly amusing as i was attempting to point out,in somewhat of a sarcastic way,how ignorant blacks can be when it comes to their values and way of life.keep in mind,i was attempting to come across as an angry white guy who just called things the way he saw them;very Archie Bunker like.please pardon my poor grammar and sentence structure and let me get right to the point as this will be my last post regarding blacks. first off,i am not racist and view all men equally.that said,i firmly believe that as we are all born equal,cultures and values are what actually shape us morally and socially. it just seems quite evident to me that the blacks(african american's) as a whole,seem to have different moral values than whites as a whole. if you look at the high birth rates of black american's you will also see that the majority of those births are out of wedlock. this is particularly troubling as no leader's from the black community seem to deal with this issue head on and instead point fingers at our government and educational systems as the root cause of their social ill's.be that as it may,i think its time for our leader's to stand up and address the issue's for what they really are and ask local black leader's to denounce the way their community seems to accept children having children. just accepting the fact that this issue is cultural and should be tolerated or dealt with in the most tender nature defies logic. most of society's problems stem from children born into a world where they have no father. think about it,what a different world it would be if we were more diligent in dealing with this subject and addressing these issues for what they are to black leaders. the real question is whether they acknowledge it as a problem brought on by their own people or whether they push the blame on somebody else....

Rule of thumb...anytime one finds it necessary to preface a statement with "I'm not racist..." is very revealing concerning their mentality. That said, while completing my Master's, I worked for a state agency-Division of Child Support Enforcement . From experience, the attitude concerning illegimate births is identical among three races: Caucasians, African-Americans, and Latinos. One difference, it was extremely common to find caucasians not only having children out of wedlock, but often being uncertain which brother was the father. As God as my witness...I have never seen another race come into the office as caucasians regarding this issue. Case in point, a woman comes into our office requesting DNA testing (the state pays for it) because she had new born fraternal twins. Problem? She was married to one brother, and had an affair with the other. If memory serves correctly, it turns out that each twin was by a brother. Again, this was highly common and unique among Caucasians. Talking about immorality...we had women not sure if they were pregnant by their husband, or by the husband's father. It isn't surprising considering that Caucasians have a long standing history of commiting beastiality, homosexuality and incest.

The ancient Greeks and Romans are excellent examples, it was often said about Cesar that "he was every woman's husband and every man's wife." I've never heard of anyone having sex with animals except caucasians. I onef were to evaluate homosexuality among African-americans and Caucasians, it is far more acceptable in the caucasian community. Many African-American gays find it necessary to conceal their sexual orientation because of the stigma in the community.

Sociology confirms that race has very little to do out of wedlock births. The primary factor is poverty. Analyze the available data and compare it between these three racial groups: African-Americans, Latinos, and caucasians. Once that has been completed, analyze the same control groups, but utlize the variables of upper-income. You may be surprised concerning the results.

[van-man]

Originally Posted by swing

The ancient Greeks and Romans are excellent examples, it was often said about Cesar that "he was every woman's husband and every man's wife." I've never heard of anyone having sex with animals except caucasians. I onef were to evaluate homosexuality among African-americans and Caucasians, it is far more acceptable in the caucasian community. Many African-American gays find it necessary to conceal their sexual orientation because of the stigma in the community.

I just want to start by saying that I have been so completely overwhelmed by the bullshit in swings posts that I find myself unable to find the time to point by point counter every idiotic claim he has made.

That said, I'll just address this little nugget of wisdom above

"The ancient Greeks and Romans are excellent examples, it was often said about Cesar that "he was every woman's husband and every man's wife." "

I've never heard that said about Caesar (correct spelling). Maybe you should post some historical account of that if you want that to be believable.

"I've never heard of anyone having sex with animals except caucasians."

Then you've never heard how the AIDS virus made its way over to the US...
But more to the point you really rely on these discreet appeals to authority as support to your claims, which really do nothing for you.

"I onef [IF ONE] were to evaluate homosexuality among African-americans and Caucasians, it is far more acceptable in the caucasian community. Many African-American gays find it necessary to conceal their sexual orientation because of the stigma in the community."

Again, what makes this claim credible? Someone told you; you see this to be the case?
More over, what ethnic group suffers from AIDS at a higher statistical level? I'll take blacks for $500 Alex! Hell even Oprah has backed me on this one. Closet fags are ramant in the African-American community, that is why AIDS is sweeping through your ethnic class like wild fire. "Acceptibility" has nothing to do with anything that has been said so far. The STD's and pregnancies in the African-American community are evidence to the lax moral standards they live under.

On a seperate note. I've worked armed security detail at many night clubs, and I can tell you that the condition of the African-American community based soley on my observations, is deplorable. I have never firsthand witnessed a group of people so intent on walking all over each other for the purpose of material gain. It is so tragic to observe, I find myself nauseated at the sight.

[gixxerboy]

Originally Posted by van-man

On a seperate note. I've worked armed security detail at many night clubs, and I can tell you that the condition of the African-American community based soley on my observations, is deplorable. I have never firsthand witnessed a group of people so intent on walking all over each other for the purpose of material gain. It is so tragic to observe, I find myself nauseated at the sight.

I can second that statement.

[Grizzly]

I can say that we have double the security on "black nights" and they're the only nights we need to pat down the patrons.

I've also never had a white guy tell me he was going to his car to get his gun and shoot me. Every single night I work at a black club or a black promoter throws a party at a white club, I get told I'm going to get shot. In fact, after a group of 3 got beat up by a group of 6, a member from the group of 6 actually came back to the club with a gun to "finish the job". I was seriously amazed. WTF is wrong with that guy?

[van-man]

Man that is everyday stuff. Everynight there is a shooting or a stabbing at these places. I don't work often at those clubs because its just too damn dangerous.

Fortunately for me, I have a good friend, who is black, and from the "soul" generation. I talk with him alot about the state of the african-american community and he concurrs that there is some kind of deep seated craziness going on. My friendship with him is the only thing that keeps me from all out racism. Everytime I hang out with him it reminds me that there is no such thing as a collective whole. The "black community" is really just a bunch of individuals who share the same values and consequently, the same problems. Each and everyone of those individuals has the power to decide for his/herself the right way to live, and bears the sole responsiblities for their respecitve actions.

[swing]

[quote=van-man]

"The ancient Greeks and Romans are excellent examples, it was often said about Cesar that "he was every woman's husband and every man's wife." "

I've never heard that said about Caesar (correct spelling). Maybe you should post some historical account of that if you want that to be believable.

This historical statement was made by Marcus Porcius Cato Uticensis) aka Cato ("The Younger" not his great-grandfather Cato "The Elder) who lived 94-46BC.

Concernig Greek homosexual practices: I recommend that you read the classic by the British t K.J. Dover entitled "Greek Homosexuality," which is considered a masterpiece regarding this subject. He also devotes a considered amount of time to the issue of pederastry among the Greeks, quite fascinating reading. He even touches on Socrates' homosexuality, and obsession with little boys, as stated by his pupil Plato.

Then you've never heard how the AIDS virus made its way over to the US...
But more to the point you really rely on these discreet appeals to authority as support to your claims, which really do nothing for you.

There is absolutely no evidence to even hint as sexual relations between African and primates.

"I onef [IF ONE] were to evaluate homosexuality among African-americans and Caucasians, it is far more acceptable in the caucasian community. Many African-American gays find it necessary to conceal their sexual orientation because of the stigma in the community."

Again, what makes this claim credible? Someone told you; you see this to be the case?
More over, what ethnic group suffers from AIDS at a higher statistical level? I'll take blacks for $500 Alex! Hell even Oprah has backed me on this one. Closet fags are ramant in the African-American community, that is why AIDS is sweeping through your ethnic class like wild fire. "Acceptibility" has nothing to do with anything that has been said so far. The STD's and pregnancies in the African-American community are evidence to the lax moral standards they live under.

This validates my premise. Because homosexuality is taboo in the African-American community those men with that orientation are practicing it on the "DL" (downlow), while often leading married lives. Am I the only person here using references to substantiate my claims?

[THL]

Originally Posted by swing

Because homosexuality is taboo in the African-American community those men with that orientation are practicing it on the "DL" (downlow), while often leading married lives. Am I the only person here using references to substantiate my claims?[/b]

So now it's only taboo in the African-American community? I don't think so.

I'm pretty sure it's taboo no matter what the culture.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by THL

So now it's only taboo in the African-American community? I don't think so.

I'm pretty sure it's taboo no matter what the culture.

You know, for a guy who lambastes others for disliking people based on the color of their skin, he sure doesn't hold himself to the same standard. It's clear that he views homosexuality in a negative light.

So, it's alright to hate people for their natural born sexual predilictions, but not for their color. I get it.

[Grizzly]

LOL The more I think about it, the funnier it becomes.

White people are terrible because they're racist. They don't like black people because they're black. As evidence of the depravity of white people, I offer up the fact that they are more tolerant towards gay people than other cultures. Black people would never think of doing something like that. We're so intolerant of those deviant fucks that black homosexuals pretend to be straight so that they're not ostracized from our community for being themselves.

LMMFGDAO!

[Grizzly]

[quote=swing]

Originally Posted by van-man

"The ancient Greeks and Romans are excellent examples, it was often said about Cesar that "he was every woman's husband and every man's wife." "

I've never heard that said about Caesar (correct spelling). Maybe you should post some historical account of that if you want that to be believable.

This historical statement was made by Marcus Porcius Cato Uticensis) aka Cato ("The Younger" not his great-grandfather Cato "The Elder) who lived 94-46BC.

So, then it was ONCE said about Caesar, not "often said".

[swing]

[quote=Grizzly]

Originally Posted by swing

So, then it was ONCE said about Caesar, not "often said".

No...it is OFTEN stated about Caesar, as this reference is frequently cited by historical authors.

[swing]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

You know, for a guy who lambastes others for disliking people based on the color of their skin, he sure doesn't hold himself to the same standard. It's clear that he views homosexuality in a negative light.

So, it's alright to hate people for their natural born sexual predilictions, but not for their color. I get it.

1. You have been unable to refute any of my arguements using faxtual evidence.
2. I never stated that I dislike anyone.
3. There isn't any evidence validating the biological aspect of homosexuality.
4. There is a great difference between holding negative views about a particular group, and carrying out actions towards them, which is often what whites do. I guess they can't help themselves.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by swing

3. There isn't any evidence validating the biological aspect of homosexuality.
.

The fuck there isn't!

[Grizzly]

[quote=swing]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

No...it is OFTEN stated about Caesar, as this reference is frequently cited by historical authors.

Oh yeah? Cite two.

[swing]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

The fuck there isn't!

Provide it!

[van-man]

As one who has spent many hours studying the works of Greek philosophers, I believe myself to be enough of an authority to say that "Greek homosexuality", or sexual ambiguity if you will, is a well documented fact. And there is without a doubt, a significant amount of bleed over to the Roman culture since the greek culture was such an important part to the advancement of the empire. But, they are not one and the same. Citing what some royal faggot mouthed off about caesar does not constitute fact. You have overstated your point to lend strength to it.

Originally Posted by swing

This validates my premise. Because homosexuality is taboo in the African-American community those men with that orientation are practicing it on the "DL" (downlow), while often leading married lives. Am I the only person here using references to substantiate my claims?

I guess my objectives here was to point out another case, where blacks appear to be of more extreme prejudice than other ethnicities and more self destructive.

And that is where my real desire lies. As the pro-african american voice in this conversation, I am curious to hear what you have to say about my experiences with the black community. We can go on and on about historical data and get nowhere. I want to know what excuse blacks have to act the way they do today. Why do they have this propensity to trample over the backs of each other for material gain? Why do they revel in creating strife where there should be none? These are the questions you should be answering, if you want any of us to conceed to your postition.