Nazis and Communists making a comeback in Germany?

[jbiggs]

Neo-Nazi surge in German poll awakens bitter memories
Date: September 21 2004


By Philip Blenkinsop in Dresden

The far right has made startling gains in regional elections in Germany as former communists made advances around Berlin, but parties of the centre clung to power with reduced support.

The anti-immigrant Nationalist Democratic Party (NPD) won 9 percent of the vote in Saxony, almost equal to the vote for the Social Democrats of the Chancellor, Gerhard Schroder.

The Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS) took 28 per cent of the vote in Brandenburg, its best ever showing in a state election. Eastern German resentment at high unemployment and welfare cuts undermined support for Mr Schroder's Social Democratic Party (SPD) and the main opposition Christian Democratic Union (CDU).

Whereas the CDU has profited from past discontent with Mr Schroder, it too was punished this time for its support for pro-business reforms. The CDU lost its absolute majority in industrialised Saxony.

The gains by the NPD, which had been semi-extinct since its heyday in West Germany 36 years ago, shocked Paul Spiegel, president of Germany's National Council of Jews, who said it was a symptom of the failures of mainstream politicians.

"Memories of the end of the Weimar Republic are awakened," Mr Spiegel said.

"A party that makes anti-Semitic and xenophobic propaganda doesn't belong in any parliament."

It was the first time the NPD had gained seats in a German state parliament since its heyday in 1968, when it was briefly represented in seven state parliaments before a decline set in.

In Brandenburg, support for another right-wing group, the German People's Union (DVU), was stable at 6 per cent. The DVU and NPD had made a territorial pact to avoid splitting the far-right vote, since a party cannot gain seats unless it wins at least 5 per cent support.

In Brandenburg, a constituency composed of the outer suburbs and rural environs of Berlin, the main shift was to the left rather than the right, with PDS support advancing by 5 per cent.

The former communists, who have overcome pariah status to enter coalitions elsewhere in Germany with the SPD, also secured a stable 23 per cent in Saxony, but have no chance of being invited to join a CDU-led government.

Federally the vote will make little difference to Mr Schroder's tenuous hold on power. His government's legislation is often blocked by the CDU-dominated upper house, the Bundesrat.

DPA, Reuters

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Originally Posted by jbiggs

Neo-Nazi surge in German poll awakens bitter memories
Date: September 21 2004


By Philip Blenkinsop in Dresden

The far right has made startling gains in regional elections in Germany as former communists made advances around Berlin, but parties of the centre clung to power with reduced support.

The anti-immigrant Nationalist Democratic Party (NPD) won 9 percent of the vote in Saxony, almost equal to the vote for the Social Democrats of the Chancellor, Gerhard Schroder.

The Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS) took 28 per cent of the vote in Brandenburg, its best ever showing in a state election. Eastern German resentment at high unemployment and welfare cuts undermined support for Mr Schroder's Social Democratic Party (SPD) and the main opposition Christian Democratic Union (CDU).

Whereas the CDU has profited from past discontent with Mr Schroder, it too was punished this time for its support for pro-business reforms. The CDU lost its absolute majority in industrialised Saxony.

The gains by the NPD, which had been semi-extinct since its heyday in West Germany 36 years ago, shocked Paul Spiegel, president of Germany's National Council of Jews, who said it was a symptom of the failures of mainstream politicians.

"Memories of the end of the Weimar Republic are awakened," Mr Spiegel said.

"A party that makes anti-Semitic and xenophobic propaganda doesn't belong in any parliament."

It was the first time the NPD had gained seats in a German state parliament since its heyday in 1968, when it was briefly represented in seven state parliaments before a decline set in.

In Brandenburg, support for another right-wing group, the German People's Union (DVU), was stable at 6 per cent. The DVU and NPD had made a territorial pact to avoid splitting the far-right vote, since a party cannot gain seats unless it wins at least 5 per cent support.

In Brandenburg, a constituency composed of the outer suburbs and rural environs of Berlin, the main shift was to the left rather than the right, with PDS support advancing by 5 per cent.

The former communists, who have overcome pariah status to enter coalitions elsewhere in Germany with the SPD, also secured a stable 23 per cent in Saxony, but have no chance of being invited to join a CDU-led government.

Federally the vote will make little difference to Mr Schroder's tenuous hold on power. His government's legislation is often blocked by the CDU-dominated upper house, the Bundesrat.

DPA, Reuters

I know this may be not relevant to your post but they actually keep getting it wrong over there...they say the "far right" when in actuality it is the "left". Nazi's were socialists = the left.It makes us conservatives look bad

[DCIII]

According to Marx, they havent ever left ?

[Mark Kerr]

Originally Posted by Windigo

I couldn’t agree more. National Socialist German Workers' Party (NAZI) sounds pretty fucking right wing to me. I posted something on this along tame ago on AB. I have to hand it to the left spun a life long left wing socialist into a right winger with such skill that it isn't even questioned.

I actually read a little article on this evolution. Supposedly, the idea that the Nazi Party was "right wing" began when Hitler double-crossed Stalin and invaded the Soviet Union. In order to demonize the Nazi's at home, Stalin began to claim that the Nazis were everything that the true socialists were not, and that the Nazis were the exact opposite as the Soviet Union. The left's sympathy with the Soviet Union brought the idea that if the Soviet Union was left, and the Nazi's were the exact opposite of the Soviet Union, therefore the Nazis must be right (the group that the Soviet Union hated most).

Remember, when WWII began, Hitler and Stalin were allies, and it is very easy to find speeches where both Hitler and Stalin claim to be ideological brethren.

On a side note: I think the extreme form of a "right wing" government would be no government at all, or total anarchy.

[DCIII]

You are a strange bunch of muscleheadz here.Some of you seem to have fully functional brains even.

[Mark Kerr]

We really don’t have fully functional brains; we just have 1000 monkeys on a 1000 computers writing these enlightening responses by sheer probability alone...

P.S. Do you have any bananas, by chance?

[DCIII]

I wouldnt go so far as to say "enlightening" yet. Who amongst you is the most luciferious ?