Political Discourse: This is a discussion on Religion and Politics within the Discussion forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; I guess it's partially my fault here. I should use the Bible and Chrisitanity as interchangable, though I have since ...
I guess it's partially my fault here. I should use the Bible and Chrisitanity as interchangable, though I have since they are the same thing to me. I should have said Plato, etc. predate Christianity by hundreds of years.
As far as predating the Bible, how about Babylon, Sumeria, Egypt? Any of those have a drastically different moral code than that found in the Bible? Not really. IIRC, "The Epic of Gilgamesh" is the single oldest existing, written story known to man. Nothing different in there than the Bible.
edit- Oh yeah, and you may have done some mispeaking, too. Or maybe you're just......WRONG!!!! You can argue that God, through his majesty and super powers and whatnot is the ultimate source of morality and it is through him that we know what is right and wrong innately. However, to say that it is from the Bible is ridiculous. Every other religion on earth is similar and none of them read the Bible. I fucking hate that goddamned book, but I live, more or less, by the code within.
I guess it's partially my fault here. I should use the Bible and Chrisitanity as interchangable, though I have since they are the same thing to me. I should have said Plato, etc. predate Christianity by hundreds of years.
As far as predating the Bible, how about Babylon, Sumeria, Egypt? Any of those have a drastically different moral code than that found in the Bible? Not really. IIRC, "The Epic of Gilgamesh" is the single oldest existing, written story known to man. Nothing different in there than the Bible.
edit- Oh yeah, and you may have done some mispeaking, too. Or maybe you're just......WRONG!!!! You can argue that God, through his majesty and super powers and whatnot is the ultimate source of morality and it is through him that we know what is right and wrong innately. However, to say that it is from the Bible is ridiculous. Every other religion on earth is similar and none of them read the Bible. I fucking hate that goddamned book, but I live, more or less, by the code within.
Glad you brought it up. The Epic of Gilgamesh actually talks about the flood of Noah's day. And how God told a man to tear down his house and build a ship, and take aboard the ship the seed of all living things. So you're right, nothing different there than in the Bible. Doesn't that reinforce the idea that the Bible is an accurate historic text?? If, in fact, every religion on earth has roughly the same moral code. Doesn't that support the Bible record that we all came from one man and woman? We then all got our sense of morality from our parents and their God. How does that not make sense?
If you keep making my points for me, I'll just shut up... Is that part of your strategy???
Ok, so I've only read it 5 times and the last was 3 years ago, but I don't recall anything at all about tearing down the house and building a ship. The flood, yes. The ark, no.
I was going to bring up the ark in some thread or another some day. Is it me or is that just the most ridiculous, impossible story in the world. It supposedly happened something like 8,000 years ago, si? Ok, with an average of 200 animals becoming extinct each year(it's more than that now and less than that then, so I made up a general average) there was 1.6 millions animals PLUS however many there are today still in existence that had to be fit onto a ship.
How many animals are there in existence today? This, of course, includes virii, bacteria, plants and everything in creation. Which really shows how much god loves us by telling his henchman to bring diseases along on the boat when they could have easily been eradicated, but I digress.
This is made out of a single house? Yep, pretty fucking believable. The whole story is so ridiculously impossible that it can only be taken in the most metaphorical of senses....but everything in the bible is true and that's how it is....except when it's convenient to say it's metaphorical....except even the metaphors are totally true...except when they don't make sense....but that's why they are truthful metaphors that are totally real and really happened...except....
May I interject? I'm not sure about other religious views outside of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. A couple of Koranic narration are mentioned below:
"Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were fused then we ripped them apart, and We created from water every living thing, do they not believe? Chapter 21:30 (Written over 1400 years ago, yet appears to be a perfect description of the Big Bang). The arabic term 'fataqa' gives the impression of something be violently ripped apart.
"It is We who created the universe, and We cause it to continuously expand."
(Stephen Hawking stated, "The universe is not static, as had previously been thought, it is expanding.)"
I've learned to respect this book while I was working on my Masters. If I had the time I would include more verses related to science.
My belief is that God would provide evidence to support the validity of his revelation. Afterall, wouldn't he know that humans would fabricate the own religious doctrines? This notion that one must have "faith" and abandon their reasoning is asinine. My professor (who was Muslim) showed me in the Qur'an where it stated, "Verily, this is a book for those who think."
(Stephen Hawking stated, "The universe is not static, as had previously been thought, it is expanding.)"
I read something recently that stated a new theory about the universe not expanding infinitely (more or less as Hawking believes), but rather it expands and contracts in cycles.
I recall Einstein stating his belief the universe was static, but if my memory serves me correctly, he may have reversed his position prior to his death. I have read that some scientists hold the theory the universe will contract once it reaches it's limits (whatever that may be). I believe that any valid religious text should be able to stand up to the criticism of science. Afterall, isn't God omniscient?
And don't give me the "free will" argument either. If I have the power to do as I chose, even if it is contrary to the desires of the omnipotent super power, then he's obviously not so omnipotent after all.
I don't how well that argument will stand, as it just popped into my head, but it still sounds good.
You can argue that God, through his majesty and super powers and whatnot is the ultimate source of morality and it is through him that we know what is right and wrong innately. However, to say that it is from the Bible is ridiculous. Every other religion on earth is similar and none of them read the Bible. I fucking hate that goddamned book, but I live, more or less, by the code within.
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