wtf is wrong with so many Muslims?!

[firedude]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

Quite frankly, giving in to their childish antics only reinforces to them that their antics are acceptable and effective. Did Christians riot in the streets when some "artist" put a picture of the "virgin" Mary in a jar of piss? No.

And, yet, somehow, a fucking cartoon of Mohammed is cause for armed rebellion? The worst part being that the sissified pussies of the West actually gave in to their fucking temper tantrums and wouldnt' show the cartoons.

This is why I need to be a billionaire. I would have bought 35 newspapers and ran it on the front page for as long as it took until they shut the fuck up. I would also start the Partneship for a Drug-filled America, but that's a different topic.

BOOYAA!!!!!

[TestFreak]

those people are mentally disturbed, do you know how mentally fucked up you have to be to be a suicide bomber, i mean how do you train for that lol

[TestFreak]

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by oldtimer

And no Girzz, it's not religion that is oppressing us..

Individual liberty and theocracy can not coexist, therefore, it is, indeed, your religion which oppresses you.

[Grizzly]

There never has been, never will be and never can be a a religiously based government which respects individual rights.

The Constitituion is a document which places the rights of the individual above all others. It is able to do this precisely because it is not a religiously based document.

Nearly every time an individual's rights are abridged in the United States, it is due to trying to bring religion into our government. Prohibition? A bunch of Jesus-freaks with nothin better to do than talk about the sin of drinking. The anti-abortion movement? Religiously based.

[jasthace]

I used to think that Muslims were crazy and had it all wrong,but the other morning I learnt that they have been right all along!
After a hugh feed of pork we all awork to a terrible ungody smell
Pork is disgusting!
Burp,fart
arkman ormbar

[dennis]

Rex Davis University of Nebraska wrote the following:he took it from Rick Mathes well known American prison minister.
Muslim religion is fastest growing religion in USA among minority races.During a seminar put on at prison 3 speakers representing 3 religions Roman catholic,protestant,and muslim were each given chance to speak to inmates about their beliefs.The islamic iman gave a great presentation of the basics of the muslim faith...During q and a session Rick Mathes asked the Imam..Please corect me if I am wrong, but I understand that most imans and clerics of islam have declared a holy war(jihad) against infidels of the world,And that by killing an infidel which is a command to all muslims they are assured a place in heaven.If that is the case can you give me the definition of an infidel ?..The imam stated "non belivers". Rick responded..let me make sur I have this right..all followers of allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to heaven? The imam replied sheepishly.."yes".Rick went on to say"well sir I have real problem trying to imagine Pope JP commanding all catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr stanley ordering all protestants to do the same in order to go to heaven. The imam was speechless.Rick continued ..I have a problem with being your friend when you and your clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you another question...would you rather have your allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and he wants you to be with me ?
On posts above this one some of you made statements comparing christians to muslims... yea a few very small % of christians have done stupid things like bomb abortion clinics etc..but this is a very small % of idiots that have gone extremist whacko and do not understand the teachings of jesus.On the other hand it is a very high % of muslims that are wanting to kill us.

[Grizzly]

Yes, it was a very small perecentage of Christians. Merely all European nations during the 12 Crusades and, largely, French and English missinaries who killed people for not converting. Just a small percentage.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

Yes, it was a very small perecentage of Christians. Merely all European nations during the 12 Crusades and, largely, French and English missinaries who killed people for not converting. Just a small percentage.

Quite the history buff aren't you Griz .....I am speaking of modern times..you know 2006...! According to recent statistics 70 % of Americans are christians or hold christian beliefs..why did the first peoples travel to the americas? First thing they did was establish the new colonies using their christian beliefs.Our country was founded that way..back then it was important to Americans to include GOD in every aspect of the foundation of building this great nation.Look at what is beggining to happen now that Americans want to take GOD out of the fabric of our country.Trying to compare modern day islamic actions to a few whacked out modern day people who think they are christians is plain idiotic.

[Grizzly]

Woah, woah, woah! Let's not make shit up here, shall we? The Constitution(the document which founded and is the heart of America) is SPECIFICALLY a non-religious document founded on non-religious princicples.

While a goodly percentage of the population may have been religious, the foundation of the country is NOT religious or religion. In fact, the Constitution and America was founded as an areligious place ON PURPOSE so that we didn't have another case of the Church of England or some crazy towel-wearing fucksticks running around and oppressing everyone here.

You can thank reason and non-religious men for the freedoms you have.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by dennis

.Trying to compare modern day islamic actions to a few whacked out modern day people who think they are christians is plain idiotic.

Actually, being that much of the Arabic world is trapped in the middle ages, it's quite a good comparisson.

[van-man]

There are two basic forms of protestant faith observable in american society today. I have termed them the Christian faith and the Christian ethic. Many who have adopted the ethic are confused for those who've adopted the faith i.e. saved Christians. When you watch Fox News you see quite a bit of the Christian ethic espoused in the words of the commentators, but I can assure you most are by no means truly Christian. The ratio of faith holders to ethic only holders is VERY steep and must be taken into consideration when discussing "Christians".

The Christian ethic is very useful in creating an analogy to modern muslims. When holders of the Christian ethic do not accept the essential parts of the faith, they spurn off a whole new religion. Sometimes it can be a one man religion, other times it can grow to large numbers of followers. Jehovah's Witnesses, Morman's, Warren Jeffs, David Koresh, Gnostics,and the KKK, are all shining examples of the sects that can grow out of a fundamental religion. None of these groups are Christian, yet all enjoy citing quotations from the bible, and speaking of God.

I contend that when we speak of "Muslims" we are often unwittingly speaking of these islamic tangents. I had the pleasure of sharing the classroom with many muslim students during the course of my undergraduate degree. And through conversation with these students, I began to see how "new" these islamic faiths are. Saudi Arabia itself is littered with David Koreshes and Warren Jeffs' type people. Some gain followers, others do not. The environment is very competitive among these clerics since religion and politics are synonomous. Each new leader must make his version more attractive than the last in order to aquire the greatest number of followers, and thusly, perpetuating himself toward political power and wealth. Instead of issues like healthcare and taxes, they talk about issues like, "DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!" and "THE GREAT WHITE SATAN!". They are popular issues that everyone loves to have an opinion on. And so the clerics are certian to have an audience if this is the topic at hand.

It would seem by the rapidity in which new islamic leaders emerge that, essential islam has become lost in the extremist forray.

[greyowl]

Originally Posted by dennis

why did the first peoples travel to the americas? First thing they did was establish the new colonies using their christian beliefs.

The first peoples travelled to America over the Bering Sea land bridge in search of small furred mammals and tasty seafood. This happened a long time before the birth of an obscure Jewish rabbi called Joshua (in Greek, Jesus) who never claimed to be the messiah.

Over the span of several thousand years, these immigrants built societies and religions of incredible richness and complexity. Eventually, a bunch of ignorant savages invaded America and exterminated their societies in the name of Christianity. Millions of peaceful members of these more advanced societies were murdered by the invading terrorists.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by greyowl

The first peoples travelled to America over the Bering Sea land bridge in search of small furred mammals and tasty seafood. This happened a long time before the birth of an obscure Jewish rabbi called Joshua (in Greek, Jesus) who never claimed to be the messiah.

Over the span of several thousand years, these immigrants built societies and religions of incredible richness and complexity. Eventually, a bunch of ignorant savages invaded America and exterminated their societies in the name of Christianity. Millions of peaceful members of these more advanced societies were murdered by the invading terrorists.

It's alright to be a bit liberal, Grey, but being moronic is unneccessary. More advanced? Bwahahahahahahahahhaa! Come on man, put the rhetoric away.

[van-man]

Originally Posted by greyowl

The first peoples travelled to America over the Bering Sea land bridge in search of small furred mammals and tasty seafood. This happened a long time before the birth of an obscure Jewish rabbi called Joshua (in Greek, Jesus) who never claimed to be the messiah.

Over the span of several thousand years, these immigrants built societies and religions of incredible richness and complexity. Eventually, a bunch of ignorant savages invaded America and exterminated their societies in the name of Christianity. Millions of peaceful members of these more advanced societies were murdered by the invading terrorists.

Greyowl, I believe you have unwittingly assisted my case. Whenever and where-ever, a religion is adopted as a state religion, these are the type of events we see. Christian or musilm the result will be and has been the same.

There was a social and political philosopher, whose name I can't remember, who said, "Where ever there is no choice, there is no faith." That is the inherent flaw with any state religion.

Religion is meant to be privately held and publicly protected, not the inverse.