Advice

[jonsmithfootball89]

Hey,

My name is Jon I am 19 years old and I have just finished my first year of university football and am heading into my second year in the upcoming fall. I play offensive guard. I am 6, 4 315 pounds, my bench is 365 pounds and I run a 5.4. The last 6 months I have been training my ass off 5 days a week as it is in my regiment I have to do for the team. I will play this coming season not on any peformance enhancers, but I want something that i can take for the next offseason. I found a contact that can get me "pretty much anything I want". I am looking to increase body size and strength without having to compromise speed. The offseason is 8 months long and once the season starts I get tested (so I can't have anything in my system at the end of the 8 months). I want to hear what people recommend and how much will it cost? What kind of stacks should I take if any? Is it injectable or in tab form? If you could give me some cycle information on the drug it would be good as well. Plus I read this thing on estragon blockers what kind should I get if any?

thank you

[dennis]

At 315 I would not want to see you get any heavier..that will slow you down bro.....

[Drea'An]

Originally Posted by dennis

At 315 I would not want to see you get any heavier..that will slow you down bro.....

Yeah! You might start messin' things up with more weight when you walk!! LOL

[jonsmithfootball89]

ahaha yeah...we do a lot of foot work as well though this is uni ball and we are all athletes. But yeah i don't want to lose any speed. The workout routine I will be on while on the drug will cover all aspects of training just like my training as of now does. Flexibility, speed as well as strength training. A lot of anaerobic training because football is all about short bursts and explosion.

[jonsmithfootball89]

maybe something like winstol?

[761USD]

It doesnt sound like you're getting any good advice here. You may not either. Until a senior member/moderator comes along, maybe I can give you some insight.

Obviously you're new at this and haven't done any research. We're in the same boat except I've spent entire weekends reading up on this very topic. I have to add, I'm surprised you haven't gotten flamed yet. It seems if you're 25 or younger and posting here, the same advice comes out, and this is the short version, eat right and train extremely hard. They say if you have to take this in high school, you won't make it in college, if you take it in college you won't make it pro, if you make it pro and take it, then look up BarryBondz for example. You should know, the younger you are, they higher the risk you take by doing this. I believe your growth plates close approximately by the age of 18, but in your case if they didn't, taking this road will close them for you permanently! All of the side effects and story's you've heard about this are true. The key is to research, research, research. You have to compensate for side effects and balance everything perfectly in your own system. Remember evereyone's a little different. You need to become an expert on this. If you don't, you may be in for a rude awakening. For example, you may experience some side effects, and I won't use medical terms as you won't know what I'm talking about at this point, bitchtitz, roidrage, pebbles shrink or can even disappear, shrunken package or may never work again. Those are just the most common or well known. In some cases, you may need hormne-replcmnt-thrpy for the rest of your life.

Make sure you want to do this and if you do, make certain you know what you're doing!

[bobvongule]

Hey Jon, you can take advice from anyone on this board. It does not mean they are right. The advice we give is based on our opions and experiences. Some of the advice is/or has been proven medically but even that can be wrong. At your age most people on here would not recommend using AAS to you. It does not have anything to do with growth plates or going pro. I don't recommend it because you are a kid. If something happens to you like a major infection, kidney failure, liver damage or an abcess tumor that would need to be cut out of you who would you turn to? Mom and Dad!! Right? It's not like your football coach is going to take you to the hospital. I say mom and dad because I have seen this happen before to a couple of kids in a gym I used to belong to. Someone sold them Sustanon and Dbol. They split the Sus up and somehow it became contaminated. One kid had an abcess like a tennis ball on his deltoid and the other had one on his ass. To keep it short the kids and their dad's showed up at the gym with the police demanding to have the guy that sold it to them arrested. The police were more than happy to do so. Steroids are not like weed or coke. The people who generally use steroids are doing so for personal benefit, lifestyle or competiton. Most of the people on this board who offer advice are grown men and women. Yeah some may be more reckless than others but most agree advising a 19 year old kid to use a cycle so he can run the 40 in 5 flat or bench 405 for reps is wrong. Mr. 761USD is right! Do some research. Have blood work done. Put a diet and training plan together. List the items in the cycle you plan to do and why you plan to do them. Post all of this along with your stats and I bet people will reply with advice. Good luck!!

[dennis]

Originally Posted by dennis

At 315 I would not want to see you get any heavier..that will slow you down bro.....

I am a senoir member here and 44 years old..I gave this kid good advice.Maybe I did not say it plain enough....

[bobvongule]

True Dennis you did. It's always good to have a senior citizen, I mean senior member, around. (that for that crack yesterday)

[dennis]

Originally Posted by bobvongule

True Dennis you did. It's always good to have a senior citizen, I mean senior member, around. (that for that crack yesterday)

OK..looks like we are even now...

[andysutils]

Originally Posted by 761USD

It doesnt sound like you're getting any good advice here. You may not either.

yeh ok, you keep telling yourself that eh buddy

[761USD]

Jon,

bobvongule is also right. He's providing real life experiences to demonstrate some of the many things that can go wrong. Let me point out a couple things of why it probably went wrong for his friends.

1) An injectable product comes sealed (air-tight) so nothing foreign (bacteria, etc.) can contaminate the solution. It should go straight from the container it came in, to the suringe, to your muscle. If they split it up, it is very likely they contaminated it.

2) Even if the solution is sterile, if you dont pentrate the muscle (go deep enough with the needle) you will create and abcess.

3) Before you do anything, get a complete physical and blood work done. This will be your baseline and is probably one of if not the most critical steps to begin. If you decide to do so after spending a few months researching.

Little things like this caused a big problem for multiple people and could have been prevented if they researched and educated themselves.

Hi Dennis, you're absolutely correct, but with all due respect, being a jr member, like Jon, I probably can see what he's looking for in regards to an answer. What you said is common sense and if we didn't know that, I'm sure anyone could have told us that.

It couldn't have been said more plain. As a jr member, what I'm looking for is cold hard facts with as much detail and substance as possible. If you tell me something that I have to spend an hour researching just to figure out what it means, I'm all for it, because then I will be learning. Just to say "don't do it cuz it's bad for ya" doesn't give us much to work with.

[jonsmithfootball89]

I'm aware of the safety precautions. i am wondering what some people have done and how it has worked for them? Can anybody give me any specific advice on what drug works best for all around athleticism or not? I was thinking dbol but that adds to much water retention. Then winstrol but that trims you down to much for my position. Now i have been thinking about taking deca or just plan test. I heard rumors that deca stays in your system for a long time though and i get tested during the season.

[oscarpalamino]

I was 19, once, ten years ago. And I didn't listen to anyone, unless they were saying what I wanted to hear. Most of the advice that you've gotten on this thread has been solid advice. I don't think you've listened to any of it. You should be very cautious not to get in over your head. When you are 19, it's really easy to do.

Deca may be detectable for 18 months, ask James Toney. You can fail alot of drug tests in 18 months.

Good info is available in the drug profiles on this site.

Wear Rubbers!

Don't have Sex with underage girls or girls that are passed out.

Although I've done it before, I wouldn't reccomend drinking and driving either. Actually, I don't even think I would reccomend drinking period.

[761USD]

Jon, you obviously didn't listen to a thing we said. I dont think you have a clue to what all the safety precautions are.

LOL Oscar... You know he's going to...

We have wasted our time here. He didn't even say thanks for our help.

[jonsmithfootball89]

funny stuff ahaha...hate to seem ungratful just never had any of my questions asked bro. i'm not going on deca i decided on sustanon and am going to stack it with anavar. Plus some novaldex. If my bench is at 365 now i wonder what it will get up to next year? I've been researching the past couple days. haha yeah i try and wear rubbers don't worry about it. Thanks for the comments!

[BBC3]

OOOOHHK Hotshot... I'm newer here and currently "doing my duty" these other guys have done it so many times they just dont have it in them right now... Plus this environment is very hot right now... with regard to growth plates. I believe this is important. Especially for you. I dont think they fuse till 21 or 22 for many. There are many documented growth spurts after the age of 19. You add exogenous testosterone and you WILL FUSE THEM FOR SURE. You many not even be getting any taller, but things are still getting thicker and tougher, I am sure. If you are a talented athelete, should not juice and ruin yourself at this juncture. The guys like Barry Bonds, Canseco, etc). The need them cause once you are about 25 you will truely start to decline in test. AND YOU WILL KNOW IT. They have to add back some juice to compete, because you simply cant recover without high levels of testosterone. Your feet will even hurt around 32!! SImple testosterone sup will do. BUT you may go fucking nuts considering you current levels. And if you make it through, that will be the day you need to supp to be where you are now.

With regard to weight. You are what you eat. You need to educate yourself on proper nutrition and how to add the right calories. Take VInce McMahan for example (WWF guy). As a young guy you look at him and say look what juice can do. It does nothing but equalize him with YOU!!! He may have the best doctors getting him test and GH, but, that only puts him at the levels of both you are already at. This person is a consumate professional with desire and determination that not many in the world posess. I guarantee you he has not had more than one Mcdonalds combo per year for the last decade. This is a person that designs his entire life around his goals, from what time he gets up, to the last ounce her eats. This is how you succeed. The guys around you may appear to have gained from the juice, but did they, or did they have those attributes naturally.

I met a guy in college that had a nice set of titties. He told me he juiced and GH and that was what he got. Everyone is different. Some ignorant bastards can get away with shooting themselves in the head and live. ANyway, He could wear a nice C cup now and what for. You are giong to have enough to deal with down the road when you are less active and trying to explain to your body why it cant eat like that and you are telling it to stopp putting fat where all that muscle once was. And by the way, fat is about 3 times larger than muscle. You will hold the amount of weight in the areas your body is set to hold it.

You have to weigh the game. How far can you really go. If you are talented enough to make it, you wont need them till 25. Then you will also know if it is worth it. BUT, if you are hell bent on opening pandoras perverbial box, you better do some more reading. I have met and know several professional atheletes. It does not matter what they do, whatever sport, business, family. They are consumate and they are Scratch!! There are few exceptions such as Deon, He could probably smoke and drink all night and still smoke a 4.1...... If you had enough discipline to succeed, you would have already read this site backwards and forwards and you would know the answers without even asking.

Testosterone is the greatest supp on the planet. I believe everyone age 32 and up should be on it just to walk down the street. You will never even understand/appreciate this if you dont wait till you really need it. You have enough test in your body now. THe only thing more could do is dirve you so crazy that you have to focus harder just to keep from going nuts. You can accomplish this same state of mind with desire and focus.

FInally, be sure and have all your blood work done prior to beginning and jiuce so that you will be sure and know the damage you have done when you are finished. It will help to demonstrate where you will be "lacking" when you are done playing ball and no longer have the time to exercise. You want to know just how bad you hurt your body so you can measure the cost.price.. It will help the endocrinologist diagnose and treat future related issues. And maybe (if you chose not to juice), it can show you where you are today, so that when you are 32, you can see where you have declined through years, and which natural levels felt best so that you will know how to properly supp your hormones when the time is right.

Call me a softy..... And by the way, if you want to succeed, QUIT FUCKING DRINKING BEFORE YOU WIND UP AN ASSHOLE WHO NEEDS 6-9 DRINKS A NIGHT TO BE NORMAL, Like me

[Drea'An]

Originally Posted by BBC3

OOOOHHK Hotshot... I'm newer here and currently "doing my duty" these other guys have done it so many times they just dont have it in them right now... Plus this environment is very hot right now... with regard to growth plates. I believe this is important. Especially for you. I dont think they fuse till 21 or 22 for many. There are many documented growth spurts after the age of 19. You add exogenous testosterone and you WILL FUSE THEM FOR SURE. You many not even be getting any taller, but things are still getting thicker and tougher, I am sure. If you are a talented athelete, should not juice and ruin yourself at this juncture. The guys like Barry Bonds, Canseco, etc). The need them cause once you are about 25 you will truely start to decline in test. AND YOU WILL KNOW IT. They have to add back some juice to compete, because you simply cant recover without high levels of testosterone. Your feet will even hurt around 32!! SImple testosterone sup will do. BUT you may go fucking nuts considering you current levels. And if you make it through, that will be the day you need to supp to be where you are now.

With regard to weight. You are what you eat. You need to educate yourself on proper nutrition and how to add the right calories. Take VInce McMahan for example (WWF guy). As a young guy you look at him and say look what juice can do. It does nothing but equalize him with YOU!!! He may have the best doctors getting him test and GH, but, that only puts him at the levels of both you are already at. This person is a consumate professional with desire and determination that not many in the world posess. I guarantee you he has not had more than one Mcdonalds combo per year for the last decade. This is a person that designs his entire life around his goals, from what time he gets up, to the last ounce her eats. This is how you succeed. The guys around you may appear to have gained from the juice, but did they, or did they have those attributes naturally.

I met a guy in college that had a nice set of titties. He told me he juiced and GH and that was what he got. Everyone is different. Some ignorant bastards can get away with shooting themselves in the head and live. ANyway, He could wear a nice C cup now and what for. You are giong to have enough to deal with down the road when you are less active and trying to explain to your body why it cant eat like that and you are telling it to stopp putting fat where all that muscle once was. And by the way, fat is about 3 times larger than muscle. You will hold the amount of weight in the areas your body is set to hold it.

You have to weigh the game. How far can you really go. If you are talented enough to make it, you wont need them till 25. Then you will also know if it is worth it. BUT, if you are hell bent on opening pandoras perverbial box, you better do some more reading. I have met and know several professional atheletes. It does not matter what they do, whatever sport, business, family. They are consumate and they are Scratch!! There are few exceptions such as Deon, He could probably smoke and drink all night and still smoke a 4.1...... If you had enough discipline to succeed, you would have already read this site backwards and forwards and you would know the answers without even asking.

Testosterone is the greatest supp on the planet. I believe everyone age 32 and up should be on it just to walk down the street. You will never even understand/appreciate this if you dont wait till you really need it. You have enough test in your body now. THe only thing more could do is dirve you so crazy that you have to focus harder just to keep from going nuts. You can accomplish this same state of mind with desire and focus.

FInally, be sure and have all your blood work done prior to beginning and jiuce so that you will be sure and know the damage you have done when you are finished. It will help to demonstrate where you will be "lacking" when you are done playing ball and no longer have the time to exercise. You want to know just how bad you hurt your body so you can measure the cost.price.. It will help the endocrinologist diagnose and treat future related issues. And maybe (if you chose not to juice), it can show you where you are today, so that when you are 32, you can see where you have declined through years, and which natural levels felt best so that you will know how to properly supp your hormones when the time is right.

Call me a softy..... And by the way, if you want to succeed, QUIT FUCKING DRINKING BEFORE YOU WIND UP AN ASSHOLE WHO NEEDS 6-9 DRINKS A NIGHT TO BE NORMAL, Like me

Very good post! Come on now you're just jokin'?, You're not an alcoholic are you?

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by Drea'An

Very good post! Come on now you're just jokin'?, You're not an alcoholic are you?

Well, you really have to define alcoholic. In Ireland, the definition is someone who goes nuts and acts like a drunk idiot when they drink..... As long as you can be happy while drinking and be nice, they do not consider you to be an alcho..... I will say it like some drunk ass redneck said it to me when I was younger. "hell, I aint drunk, I'm just drinkin". And yes, I have now found myself in the precarious position of needing to have at least a couple to "relax". Alcohol is the funniest drug I have ever encounter. So is our society for that matter. EVERY single bad thing that has ever happened to me, or that I have done, alcohol was involved. Yet I still persist. It is ok in moderation. The problem is that it seems it will find a way to get the best of you from time to time. I stay away from liquer, Hell I dont even know her!!!!!!