what's a good dosing level for Arimidex without Testosterone

[jadd]

I've been taking 1mg./day of Arimidex alone, without testosterone or any steroids, and my E2 level dropped from 18 to <2. My testosterone rose from 418 to 826. I'd like to find a dosing method that would raise my E2 to at least 10. Any suggestions?

[LifeSize]

0.5mg every 3rd day. Or 0.5mg every other day.. Or maybe even 0.5mg every day..

I think Adex is like 58% effective? not the strongest but at that dose over long periods of time you will kill E totally and that can bring a whole host of other issues.. You need SOME E.

[jadd]

Thanks, I'll try your suggestion.

[Axl]

Do a search in the Men's health forum. There are a lot of threads on this topic. I'm on 0,25 mg every 5 days. I used to be on 0,25 mg every 4 days. At the moment you take way too much. Start your dosage low, take a bloodtest and gently increase the dosage if your E2 is still too high. The ideal range is around 25-30 pg/ml. (take the Ultra-sensitive test, not the "normal one", which is for testing female blood)

I agree with LifeSize: everybody needs some E and E2 to function properly. Aim for 25-30 pg/ml, not the low 10 pg/ml. Is there a specific reason why you want to reach 10 pg/ml? Where did you get that number from??

[jadd]

Thanks for your responses. Prior to taking Arimidex, my E2 tested at around 18, with my testosterone at 418. A urologist put me on Adx to improve my libido.(I'm a 50 year old that had bypass surgery in the past).
I'm also a bodybuilder that doesn't use steroids, however could benefit from higher testosterone. The doc said that my urine test showed that the low E2(<2) in the ultrasensitive test, wasn't affecting my bones. I still felt that I needed to raise the E2 to at least 10, after all that I read in this forum.
My doc now recommends 1mg. Adx every other day. I think that still may be too much.
Jadd

[thenxtgrt1]

Originally Posted by jadd

Thanks for your responses. Prior to taking Arimidex, my E2 tested at around 18, with my testosterone at 418. A urologist put me on Adx to improve my libido.(I'm a 50 year old that had bypass surgery in the past).
I'm also a bodybuilder that doesn't use steroids, however could benefit from higher testosterone. The doc said that my urine test showed that the low E2(<2) in the ultrasensitive test, wasn't affecting my bones. I still felt that I needed to raise the E2 to at least 10, after all that I read in this forum.
My doc now recommends 1mg. Adx every other day. I think that still may be too much.
Jadd

jadd...definitely keep this thread updated. I'm also on Adex only protocol. I shoud receive labwork soon, which will be based on usage of 0.5 mg E3D. Seems to be beneficial thus far. It sounds like you've had good results w/ 1 mg every day. Have you had any joint pain?

You might want to drop down to 0.5 EOD and then test in about 30 days or so. You're fortunate because you've had excellent results.

[LifeSize]

Are you guys monitoring your lipids? Long term use, at moderate to high doses can alter cholesterol.. Keep an eye on it, and keep us posted.

You guys should look into some cortisol control and something like nettle root for shbg..(to compliment your adex therapy)..shoot, you may even want to give hCG at 250iu a week a try?

[jadd]

thanks again, guys...no muscle or joint problems at this point, with 1mg EOD. i'm on vytorin to keep my cholest. down, but will keep an eye on it even more now with the adx. getting urine & bloodwork in 2 weeks & will post the results.

[thenxtgrt1]

Originally Posted by LifeSize

Are you guys monitoring your lipids? Long term use, at moderate to high doses can alter cholesterol.. Keep an eye on it, and keep us posted.

You guys should look into some cortisol control and something like nettle root for shbg..(to compliment your adex therapy)..shoot, you may even want to give hCG at 250iu a week a try?

Can Adex cause cortisol to get out of whack? I've been thinking about nettle root as of lately. I think it would compliment Adex well. Plus, will probably add in HCG in a month or so.

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by thenxtgrt1

Can Adex cause cortisol to get out of whack? I've been thinking about nettle root as of lately. I think it would compliment Adex well. Plus, will probably add in HCG in a month or so.

Some people have lipid fluctuations on Arimidex, they should use Aromasin. I'm no different on it, than off it, i'm down to 0.5ml 1x week..

[jadd]

Just got my bloodwork and urinalysis back. I'm now on 1mg. EOD (for about a month) of Adx and my urine came back with no signs of bone loss, which is what I was concerned about with my E2 being < 2 in the ultra - sensitive test. These are the results:

Total Testosterone: 825
Free,%,Testosterone: 1.2%
Free Testosterone: 98.5

Total Cholesterol: 115
HDL (good chol): 45
LDL (bad chol): 61
Triglycerides: 43

The doc didn't want to do another E2 test and said that he didn't care about the results since my urine came back clean. Also, I'm on Vytorin and that explains my excellent cholesterol numbers. It seems like the Adx is not affecting my lipids.
Thanks,
Jadd

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by thenxtgrt1

Can Adex cause cortisol to get out of whack? I've been thinking about nettle root as of lately. I think it would compliment Adex well. Plus, will probably add in HCG in a month or so.

ohh i missed the point of your original question.. adex has been shown to help keep cotisol under control to an extent.. its not super effective, but it does help.

look into Phosphatidylserine

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by jadd

Just got my bloodwork and urinalysis back. I'm now on 1mg. EOD (for about a month) of Adx and my urine came back with no signs of bone loss, which is what I was concerned about with my E2 being < 2 in the ultra - sensitive test. These are the results:

Total Testosterone: 825
Free,%,Testosterone: 1.2%
Free Testosterone: 98.5

Total Cholesterol: 115
HDL (good chol): 45
LDL (bad chol): 61
Triglycerides: 43

The doc didn't want to do another E2 test and said that he didn't care about the results since my urine came back clean. Also, I'm on Vytorin and that explains my excellent cholesterol numbers. It seems like the Adx is not affecting my lipids.
Thanks,
Jadd

Nice Jadd, hope you get what you want out of all of this. Seems like you're making progress.

[thenxtgrt1]

Originally Posted by LifeSize

ohh i missed the point of your original question.. adex has been shown to help keep cotisol under control to an extent.. its not super effective, but it does help.

look into Phosphatidylserine

LifeSize...what would be signs/symptoms of cortisol being out of whack or problematic?

[thenxtgrt1]

Originally Posted by jadd

Just got my bloodwork and urinalysis back. I'm now on 1mg. EOD (for about a month) of Adx and my urine came back with no signs of bone loss, which is what I was concerned about with my E2 being < 2 in the ultra - sensitive test. These are the results:

Total Testosterone: 825
Free,%,Testosterone: 1.2%
Free Testosterone: 98.5

Total Cholesterol: 115
HDL (good chol): 45
LDL (bad chol): 61
Triglycerides: 43

The doc didn't want to do another E2 test and said that he didn't care about the results since my urine came back clean. Also, I'm on Vytorin and that explains my excellent cholesterol numbers. It seems like the Adx is not affecting my lipids.
Thanks,
Jadd

That's awesome Jadd...considering your T has nearly doubled, what positive changes have you seen? Improved sex drive / Better erections / Increased energy / More lean muscle mass, etc.?

[jadd]

Actually, with a testosterone level over 800 you would think that I'd get all of the above, but it's not the case. At 50, even though I work out hard (with weights and machines), I'm not seeing miracles. I think I have a lot more nervous energy; maybe better erections sometimes, but nothing to write home about.
In time it may all get better, but for now, the best I could say is that the changes are subtle!!!