1 Gram or 750mgs??

[necro]

I know this has been talked about alot lately, but I'm curious as to what other members here think on this. First a brief history of myself. I am 28 5' 10" 240lbs,have been training for roughly 10 years and cycling for 8 of them. I have tried almost every combo aside from GH and Slin which I feel are totally unecessary unless you plan on competing. Now back to the original question; how many of you feel it is still neccessary to use say a gram or more of Test when other drugs are included in the cycle? I for one truely cannot see/feel a difference whether I use 750mg or 1 gram when stacked with say 500mg Deca or EQ and say 50mg D-bol ED. Yet I continue to see numerous posts that advocate these dosages, saying "You should always run Test as a base for every cycle at at least 1 gram." Can you really feel the extra 250mgs that much? I have done cycles in the past where I have used in the excess of say 1500mg Enanthate , 800mg EQ, 100mg D-bol ED, and 100mg Tren ED and I cannot (besides worse sides of course) tell any difference in weight and strength gains compared to a cycle of half of those doses. Again, just looking for other opinions out there...

NECRO

[Southernjuice]

I agree to always run test as a base but where have you seen it posted that you should always use it at a gram or more??I personally can't see the difference either and I continue to make gains with my test between 500mgs and 750mgs qwk.

[sintar]

I agree with you Southernjuice, by this time next year the question will be should i use 2 grams a week. I say use as little as you can but enough to make decent gains.

[joe shmoe]

i have seen one, maybe two, posts on here...since we changed forums...when someone said "you should use a gram a week". obviously, by your results, everyone does not need a gram a week. yes, there are hard gainers. and yes, there are people who do that dose regularly. and there are also people who are so far past their gentic potential, that they do need it. personaly, i dont feel i need it. one day i'm going to try a short cycle lasting only about 3 weeks. now from what i've read, this is the time to up the dose. doubling it, if i remember correctly.

as long as you're making good gains, there really is no need to be up to a gram a week of test by your third or fourth cycle. especially if you're adding in other compounds.

have a nice day

[necro]

I do agree that Test should be used as a base for every cycle. The thing I was questioning was the dosage. Almost ANY board you visit there will be a post saying that 1 Gram/week is what should be used. I also agree that there may be some people out there that NEED to use a gram or more per week; but I also feel alot of people feel they need to use that much based solely on board posts. Many of the people that feel they need to use a gram or more per week probably need to check their diet. I was the same way when I first started using AAS. I thought that if I wasn't gaining that I need to up the dose; when in reality I needed more protein/cals. I also beleive that alot of people rely on the drugs too much. As stated many times before: if nutrition, training, and rest are not on spot then gear won't make that much of a difference. Have you ever seen these guys that say, "I just finished a 12wk cycle of 1g Test,600mg EQ, 30 Dbol ED and only gained 8 lbs! I swear my juice was bunk!!" Then when you ask them what they were eating you find out they were only getting a fraction of what their body needed to grow? I don't know about you guys, but the boards I visit I see these posts ALOT. I truely feel that the drugs are one hell of a catalyst, but ONLY when the other 3 pilars are followed as well. I think I will stick to my 750wk as long as I am still seeing good results...and I have been getting good results for years...take care...

NECRO

[Southernjuice]

Yeah Necro I hate that when I see a post saying to use a gram or more....then you have a newbie run off and load up on his first cycle and fuck hisself up.I myself will probably be using a gram in another year but think that aas should be used in moderation and we should set realistic goals and work to keep our gains and stay off the damn rollercoaster.

[armsports]

I've literally gotten better gains off of 750mg/wk than 2+g/wk. The reason was my training/diet/rest were much better at the lower dose because I knew they had to be to get good results. I got complacent at the higher levels because I figured I could beat the hell out of my body and still gain--Wrong!!(at least for me anyway). Plus the sides were horrible at the higher doses. So yes you can get just as much off 750mg/wk, especially since this is only about 35mg less per day. My theory now is use the smallest amount I can and still gain at a reasonable rate. Much easier on your health and your wallet.

[dumbbellpress]

If all of these variables are in place 1)50 grams of protein 7 times per day
2) drnk 1 1/2 - 2 gallons of water per day 3) 8-9 hours of sleep per night 4) vitamins three times per day 5)Train balls to the wall maximum intensity 5 times per week 6) no alcohol, cigs or rec drugs ...... then I would bet my inheritance you would see a significant difference in 500mg test/week versus 1000mgmgtest/week.

However, if comparing 750mgtest/week to 1000mgmgtest/week........I dunno
I think you would see some difference but I would guess the difference would be no more than a 5 lb difference in lean muscle mass gained. Is it worth it to you to have that extra 5 lbs of muscle?????? For me IT IS DEFINITELY WORTH IT. I know all the vets on Meso always cry "Mommy I should always use as little as juice as possible because steroids are dangerous and I will die if I use too much steroids......momy hold my hand I am scared...." I laugh at these guys
My last 2 cycles have been Weeks 1-6 100mg/day DBol split into 4 25 mg dosesand weeks 1-2 2500mg/week of Organon Karachi Sust at EOD Injections weeks 3-12
1250 mg/week Organon Syst at EOD injections

Did I die?? Did my children suffer a terrible death?? Did Osama Bin Laden sodomize my friends?? Did the Marines kill every man woman and child in my town....?????? No. I did just fine and the side effects were not any worse than my first two cycles in which I only used 530 mg Enanthate per week.

It is up to you man. If you subscribe to the school of thought that 95% of guys on Meso espouse - to always use as little as possible....then yeah only use 750mg/week. Me- I know I am gonna die one day and I wanna be the biggest motherfucker on the planet when I kick the can so I will stick with my 100mg/day Dbol for six weeks and 1250 mg/week Organon Sust.

dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs

[Deacon]

If 500 works well for you dont waste your money on using anymore for a cycle. I myself prefer lower doses and do just fine on them.

[necro]

DumbellPress, do you care to elaborate on how much better your gains were on the higher dose cycles? I'm curious as you've basically doubled the dose of the gear you had been using...has your strength and gains doubled also? What length of cycles are are running these high doses on? Are we talking 10-12 weeks or are we talking 20 weekers? That brings up another question...do you think it's better to do 2 10-12 week cycles per year at moderate doses with proper PCT and recovery time in between; or is it better to do a 20-22 weeker balls to the wall with proper PCT and recovery at the end? Which have you guys found to yeild better/solid gains in the long run? For me I have been doing 12 weekers at moderate doses (750mg Test, 500mg Deca/EQ, 50mg Dbol ED wks 1-8) with proper PCT and have been having wonderful gains from cycle to cycle for many years. I'm looking for input here, not bashing anyone for their cycling strategies

[necro]

Does anyone else have appetite issues the higher the dose gets? It seems like the higher my doses go the more I have to try to force feed myself as I have no appetite. (Possibly due to the excess stress on my liver?) I feel like with moderate doses that I have a very healthy appetite and can eat without problems. And I ALWAYS use 1000mcg B-12 EOD when on any cycle. Anyone else experience this?

NECRO

[atlmo]

For me it is not a matter of killing myself, its a matter of money. I dont see any benefit from using mega doses of AAS over more conservative doses. Thats not to say that others dont, I just havent found any benefit. I also like to run long cycles 20 weeks plus.

Originally Posted by necro

Does anyone else have appetite issues the higher the dose gets? It seems like the higher my doses go the more I have to try to force feed myself as I have no appetite. (Possibly due to the excess stress on my liver?) I feel like with moderate doses that I have a very healthy appetite and can eat without problems. And I ALWAYS use 1000mcg B-12 EOD when on any cycle. Anyone else experience this?

NECRO

[graybass]

I LOVE GEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!MORE,MORE,MORE,MORE!!!!!!!!!! !!!!LOL!!LOL Just Kiddin!!!!! There are so many variables it has to be on a case by case basis. Mostly Yrs and amount of cycles under belt. I'm older fart and need more to get results but must remember other health issuses(can't spell for shit being one of them LOL) Correct me if wrong but don't different compounds take different pathways to some extent? So I would think some of those mgs. should be used on at least 3-4 other compounds, I'm using 750-1000mg test base, so not to over top graybass

[onamission]

Damn dumbbellpress, that's pretty heavy on the gear. Do you get blood tests done before and after cycles? The most i've done with d-bol is 50mg a day, and I had headaches and migranes...I guess it was a bp issue...did u notice anything like this with 100mg a day?

And maybe it didnt kill you right away taking that much, but you never know the effect it may have on you a few years down the road....and do you really think Jennifer Love Hewitt is going to want to marry someone who is going to die in his thirties? j/k dude.

But anyways, I have to agree with altmo, it's just not a financially sound idea for me to double a dose, when I can make solid enough gains with a lesser dose.

[Starkraven]

once i did a gram of test and 40mg fake dbol, with 500mg eq, the test/eq were real. and i got almost zero gains because i underate like hell.

then i did 750mg test with dbol, ate very high protein mainly from lean ground beef and gaine alot of strength, i was the strongest in just a couple weeks, and packed on a good amount of muscle, id have to say at least 7-10 pounds of muscle. they were icn and thai dbol