1st cycle 10 weeks enanthate/deca

[-Dozer-]

This will be my first cycle. I'm 26 years old, 5'9" tall, and weigh 170 lbs. I am in very good physical condition. My body fat % is somewhere in the neighborhood of 13-15%.

I'll be starting a 10 week cycle of Enanthate and Deca in a couple of weeks. I've done a lot of reading on this site, and others, about proper PCT and I'm still a little overwhelmed. There's so much information and lots of different opinions out there on this PCT subject. Personally I was planning to take liquid clomid during my PCT.

I've read that I need to begin taking the liquid clomid 3 weeks after my last shot of Deca. Does this look right:

10 Weeks
Test Enanthate: 500/week (250/shot x 2)
Deca : 400/week (200/shot x 2)

Starting 3 weeks after last Deca injection
Liquid Clomid-
300mg first day
100mg next ten days
50mg last ten days

I cannot get any HCG. Aside from the HCG, what else would be a "must have" for this cycle?

Oh, I was thinking about getting some nolvadex just in case I started having any unwanted side effects.

Any help would be appreciated... Thanks

[mr.nitro]

I would realy recomend hcg. I took test/deca without hcg and I felt like it was one of the most supresive drugs ive ever tried. it took me a long time to get back to normal.

[-Dozer-]

How were your gains with this combo? Were they fairly easy to keep?

I work with a guy that says he gets HCG, but he was really stand-offish when I hinted that I wanted to buy some. He can be strange sometimes.

Is there any thing out there that would at least be better than nothing in place of HCG?

[mr.nitro]

Originally Posted by -Dozer-

How were your gains with this combo? Were they fairly easy to keep?

I work with a guy that says he gets HCG, but he was really stand-offish when I hinted that I wanted to buy some. He can be strange sometimes.

Is there any thing out there that would at least be better than nothing in place of HCG?

my gains where great! I really liked the combo.

[tommyguns2]

Just curious, why test AND deca for a first cycle? You will be happy with results with just the test, plus at a later time you'll have a better idea how you respond to different compounds.

Also, the ratio of test to deca that you have may result in some unwanted sexual sides (you may be shooting pool with a rope, so to speak). Most cycles I see with test and deca have a ratio of test to deca of about 2:1 to avoid this problem.

Don't get me wrong, you'll be happy with your cycle results, but if this is a first cycle, you'll be quite happy with just the test. Also, I sometimes question the dosing of 500 mg/wk for a first cycle, simply because you're going to respond well to a lower dose, however, I think I'm a minority view on this point.

[NightsAndWeekends]

I'm currently running a Test Enanthate/Deca cycle and having a great time with it. Im five weeks in and up over 15 lbs. A lot less of that is water than in my past cycles since I am using AIFM from anabolicfitness.net.

A few points :

As tommy suggested, run the test/deca at a 2:1 ratio in favor of test. I have heard lots of reports of bad sexual sides when you run deca alone or at a lower ratio. My sex drive has been through the roof throughout this cycle and I've had no mechanical problems.

Your dosages may be a bit high. If you want to run 500 Test, than do so with 250 deca. This is how I started my current cycle, but about three weeks in I started to get some minor sides like oily skin and some acne as a result. My nipples also started to get a little puffy. I did two things to remedy the situation.

1. I upped my dose of AIFM to 2 pumps twice a day (total 4 pumps a day)
2. I reduced my dose to 400T/200D

The sides subsided the next week and I've still been gaining very nicely so I think I've found my sweet spot of dosage vs. side effect.

If you are not familiar with AIFM, scan the forums. The stuff is great. Forget the nolvadex, and just get a bottle or two of AIFM. Since I found the proper dose, I have zero problems with nipple puffiness/gyno and I am not bloated at all as I have been in past cycles of similar dosage.

[bhandsome562]

My first cycle was sus 250 500 mg weekly and 1 cc of reforvit b for 8 weeks. And ran sus for 12 weeks. 0.25 armidex eod. Didnt like it much i gain wieght though but looked like bloated. Then for my seconde cycle went with enthate 350 1 cc weekly for 10 weeks. and deca 1cc weekly for 8 weeks. and armidex 0.25 eod. Was really happy with the results got cut and gain nothing but pure muscle.

[-Dozer-]

The reason for this cycle for my first is because I'm being coached on it from someone who has done only this cycle (test/deca) and has had tremendous results. I guess he figures it should work for me as well. He went from 180 lbs to 225 lbs over the course of a few cycles.

After doing a few weeks of research the only thing I see that really concerns me is his suggested PCT. He's going to just take something called gamma-o this cycle. He just took 6oxo (i think) last cycle. I would really like to be a little more careful with my endocrine system.

I know that a test only cycle would probably be enough to make me happy, but I've heard many good things about this cycle as well. Maybe a little much for a first cycle, but I can always back off on dosages if I begin having problems.

[streetdaddy]

I am on a test/deca cycle as well. I am 5 weeks into it. I have gained 15lbs, ad strength is way up. For instance i went from 245x 10 on bench to 295x10. Squat from 275x10{4 sets} to 335x10{4 sets}. I went from 202 to 217. I did get oily skin, no acne, though. I am using 400mg test/300mg of Deca/week. I have a crazy sex drive, and have no problems with sex drive/or performance. Been happy with this cycle, but will prolly cut from here on out. 217lbs at 5'10 is plenty stocky for me!

[-Dozer-]

Ok, this is what I really want to know. I would like three different PCT suggestions for the cycle I've listed. Remember, this is my first cycle.

Maybe something like this:

1. Best PCT possible (price not an issue, PCT in a perfect world)
2. Mid-grade PCT (best PCT for the guy who is on a budget)
3. Bare minimum PCT (Just that... only the essentials)


I know PCT seems to be a personal preference, so please let me know what has worked best for you in the format listed above.

You guys have been great so far. This is the best message board I've tried. Other boards seem to be arrogant with their opinions and are far less willing to help the newcomer.

Thanks!

[Preacher]

Hey Dozer, ya PCT is complicated only because everyone has there own opion of it.

Try reading this, as it seemed to really help me.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...le-therapy.htm

[bhandsome562]

Originally Posted by Preacher

Hey Dozer, ya PCT is complicated only because everyone has there own opion of it.

Try reading this, as it seemed to really help me.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...le-therapy.htm

i agree

[Big_paul]

It worked for me. alot of guys don't like deca, but I use it to cut the sides. It also has a better anabolic component than test.

[El Kelio]

Deca is very supressive, be careful if you use it. And please, DONT start any cycle if you dont have all the stuff with you ( HCG ).
My two cents.

[van-man]

you're gonna have to have HCG and Nolvadex or you will lose All of your gains...