1st cycle at 40 - to late? Water weight???

[SHUTUPANDSQUAT]

Greetings to all board members. I am 40 y/o and embarking on my first cycle. I actually had some QV test about 10 years ago but it just sat in the fridge for years cuz I never got up the nerve and lost touch with my guy. And now that I am experiencing this 'source' debacle (don't worry, I am not asking for any sources - I live in New York City and belong to a construction union - so nothing is hard to find) I am kicking myself because I been to Thailand, India and Mexico City within the past two years alone and never even thought about gear while I was there.

Anyway, I digress....

I have done an immense amount of research and am confident that I am ready to start my first cycle. Been working out since I was 27 y/ and had a two year higheitus due to a hernia operation and some other bull crap. I have been 'back' in the gym since February 09 and on a very high protein and low carb diet for some time also. It seems clear to me that my first cycle should involve only Test (I went with Test-E) although I have read that some older dudes prefer EQ or the like without the test to avoid the sides.

I had used creatine some years ago and hated the water retention. I am in a quandary as to how to make the gains I am looking for without retaining water. I don't want to cycle two compounds at the onset. I am figuring that my usual gallon of water a day and cardio should help combat the retention. Any other suggestions.

Oh and of course I have my PCT planned and ready. Although I also got some mixed signals about how AI and SERM. Some say Nolvadex during the cycle and some say none unless sides are present. I'm also not clear on weather HCG is mandatory PCT. I plan to take clomid and Nolva. Do I need to add HCG also.

I know I said a mouthful and appreciate any input you might have. Granted my shipment is probably a month or more off so I will have plenty of time to continue my research.

Thanks

[newbie23]

if you want to control side effects you must control you estrogen levels-estro causes almost all side effects with test-that an unstable blood levels. you should take an AI during your cycle-an AI slows conversion of test to estro therefore lowering the amount of estro in your system. a SERM just attaches itself to the receptor so the estro can not-your estro will still be high-and can rebound when discontinuing the SERM.

there are 3 AI's

ADEX- lowers estro like 40%
AROMASIN-like 65%
LETRO- like 99%

Aromsain is the only steroidal AI-it is my choice-it has the best sides vs effect ratio.
dose @ 12.5mg ED and stop it 2 weeks into PCT.

you should have letro on hand as well-it is the best strongest defense against estro-if you somehow get gyno or some other neg side effect from elevated estro whil you are taking the Aromsain-the only thing that will work then is letro.

you prob will not need the letro and can keep it on hand for future cycles-just in case

never run anything without test. If you take something that suppresses HPTA and your not injecting test-your body will have none to use for its daily activities. like guys who take deca with out test-they are asking for deca dick.

[newbie23]

the AI will also reduce water retention

[solo47]

Run adex at .5 mg EOD and you need not fear gyno. Better yet, you should have no problems with water retention on 500 gm Test e EW. (Water retention is only temporary anyway; nothing to get upset about.)

HCG helps to regain your natural hypothalamus-pituitary-testes axis by getting the boys working in advance of the rest. Many now use it in small doses throughout their cycle but 10 days at the end of your first cycle should fatten up the lads just fine (before you begin your Nolva and/or Clomid protocol).

Solo

[peanutbutter]

its never too late man

[dennis]

Actually 40 is a great place to start using anabolics ! You will feel 16 again while on them.Injury could be a problem so when the steroids make you stronger increase weights sparingly.A mild cycle using test cyp or enth,or possible sustanon @ 500 mgs would work wonders for you.12 weeks would net you some major gains..diet will play a key role in how much fat you gain vs muscle/and water retention.Personally I would not worry too much about water gains..d

[SHUTUPANDSQUAT]

Originally Posted by newbie23

if you want to control side effects you must control you estrogen levels-estro causes almost all side effects with test-that an unstable blood levels. you should take an AI during your cycle-an AI slows conversion of test to estro therefore lowering the amount of estro in your system. a SERM just attaches itself to the receptor so the estro can not-your estro will still be high-and can rebound when discontinuing the SERM.

there are 3 AI's

ADEX- lowers estro like 40%
AROMASIN-like 65%
LETRO- like 99%

Aromsain is the only steroidal AI-it is my choice-it has the best sides vs effect ratio.
dose @ 12.5mg ED and stop it 2 weeks into PCT.

you should have letro on hand as well-it is the best strongest defense against estro-if you somehow get gyno or some other neg side effect from elevated estro whil you are taking the Aromsain-the only thing that will work then is letro.

you prob will not need the letro and can keep it on hand for future cycles-just in case

never run anything without test. If you take something that suppresses HPTA and your not injecting test-your body will have none to use for its daily activities. like guys who take deca with out test-they are asking for deca dick.

Great and informative response. I have my first cycle notes and will add your information to it and make sure that I have Letro on hand just in case. I was just surprised that you were not big on the likes of Nolvadex or Clomid. I understand that you actually want some estrogen in your cycle although if your percentages are correct, it seems that if I add something like Aromsain to the cycle that I will have some available.

Thanks again guys

Can't wait to get my gear in the mail - well at least I hope I get it. I heard the international source I used in Thailand has about a 50/50 chance of successful delivery. We shall see.

[newbie23]

yea those % are right- you are right when you say you only need a very small amount of estro to perform daily activities.

Clomid and Nolva should only be used for PCT-unless you get gyno-a SERM like these will actually inhibit your gains-although not that much.

If you get gyno then you take nolva-then up your Aromasin to 25mg ed. if this doesnt work then you start letro course. when symptoms subside immediately stop the nolva but continue AI. if it is letro taper down and jump on aromasin.

like i said though-if you take aromasin as a preventitive measure-i highly doubt you will get gyno unless your using suspension.

[newbie23]

Good Luck-let us know how the cycle goes.