1st cycle...any suggestions???

[jaglar]

My friend and I are looking to start our 1st cycle soon. I have been researching each steriod and their effects for the past several years. We are both in our mid to late 20's and weight 200lbs a piece. We are looking to build some size (around 215-220lbs after said and done), but ripped at the same time. Nothing totally extreme or anything. What would be a good stack? Looking to avoid any long term side affects such as no sex drive for sure! Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Reinheart]

Test enanthate with equipose at 500 and 300-400mg respectively for 10 weeks. I said equipose over deca because the gains will be much leaner and it will also counter the sides of test to a degree. Equipose doesn't aromatize as much as testosterone and it's usually frontloaded for a couple weeks at 600-800mg, not necessarily though. Forget about d-bol and anadrol as well. If you wish to add an oral as well i would recommened anavar at 20-30mg per day for 4-6 weeks as it's not too harsh on the body.

[jsupstarz]

Test only 500mg/wk would be a good first cycle for ya. I would frontload the test the first 2 weeks.

[Selene]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

Test enanthate with equipose at 500 and 300-400mg respectively for 10 weeks. I said equipose over deca because the gains will be much leaner and it will also counter the sides of test to a degree. Equipose doesn't aromatize as much as testosterone and it's usually frontloaded for a couple weeks at 600-800mg, not necessarily though. Forget about d-bol and anadrol as well. If you wish to add an oral as well i would recommened anavar at 20-30mg per day for 4-6 weeks as it's not too harsh on the body.

you don' t need to front load, exp your first cycle

keep it simple,

good luck to you and your friend

[jsupstarz]

Sure you don't need to frontload, but it drives me nuts injecting for 5 weeks and not getting hardly anything. It's actually a downer, especially on a first cycle.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

Test only 500mg/wk would be a good first cycle for ya. I would frontload the test the first 2 weeks.

Test enth or cyp 500 mgs per week but front loaded with test prop..perfect !

[jsupstarz]

Prop is a great frontload!

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

Test enanthate with equipose at 500 and 300-400mg respectively for 10 weeks. I said equipose over deca because the gains will be much leaner and it will also counter the sides of test to a degree. Equipose doesn't aromatize as much as testosterone and it's usually frontloaded for a couple weeks at 600-800mg, not necessarily though. Forget about d-bol and anadrol as well. If you wish to add an oral as well i would recommened anavar at 20-30mg per day for 4-6 weeks as it's not too harsh on the body.

Rein...take your own advice bro..do 500 /400 like you are telling this guy.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by dennis

Rein...take your own advice bro..do 500 /400 like you are telling this guy.

LOL..............

HDH

[Primordial Performance]

Originally Posted by jaglar

My friend and I are looking to start our 1st cycle soon. I have been researching each steriod and their effects for the past several years. We are both in our mid to late 20's and weight 200lbs a piece. We are looking to build some size (around 215-220lbs after said and done), but ripped at the same time. Nothing totally extreme or anything. What would be a good stack? Looking to avoid any long term side affects such as no sex drive for sure! Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Whatever you choose to do, make sure to shoot hCG during the cycle. 500iu everyweek would be fine.

-Pp

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by dennis

Rein...take your own advice bro..do 500 /400 like you are telling this guy.

Hahaha! Naaah, i don't want to get that massive!

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by Primordial Performance

Whatever you choose to do, make sure to shoot hCG during the cycle. 500iu everyweek would be fine.

-Pp

I've heard that many people use it concurrently but can someone tell me why? My guess it that you won't be shut down completely. If test and eq are loaded in the same syringe and you pin on monday when do you have to pin hcg?

[Primordial Performance]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

I've heard that many people use it concurrently but can someone tell me why? My guess it that you won't be shut down completely. If test and eq are loaded in the same syringe and you pin on monday when do you have to pin hcg?

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...-protocols.htm

Just shoot the hCG with a slin pin. Its a very easy shot.

-Pp

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by Primordial Performance

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...-protocols.htm

Just shoot the hCG with a slin pin. Its a very easy shot.

-Pp

Alright, i'll check it out! Thanks bro! =)

[jaglar]

All this is great information to get started. I will research this gear further, and let you guys know what I decide. Thanks again for all the input!