1st cycle of EQ,TEST, and dbol

[iceman7mc]

My buddy is doing his first cycle and asked me to find out some info for him. He already started taking DBOL at 20 mgs every day. He will do this for 4 weeks. On the third week he will start taking 600 mg of EQ per week. (he has enough to last 12 weeks at this dosage so any variation suggestions are cool). I suggested to add on some test being that it is his first cycle instead of getting more dbol. Would 400 mg Test combined with 600 mg EQ every week be pretty solid for him? This would also be after the four weeks of dbol. (the dbol he already bought and started) The EQ is already bought, but wont arrive till next week (4th week of dbol). I know you should have everything organized before you start but it's his first cycle and im trying to give him a hand. Any suggestions or ideas are appreciated. Thanks.

[syntheticmuscle]

What kind of test is it? Sounds like your buddy is off to a bad start.

[iceman7mc]

He hasn't bought the test yet so what would you suggest? The only things that hes done so far is start taking the dbol at 20 mgs a day(he's in the third week now and will run out after 4 unless he buys more), and hes already bought the EQ (about 7000 mg's total). So anything besides those 2 things that are already in the past, we can change/ update his cycle.

[EPOWER]

I would tell him to drop the dbol, buy test e wait a few weeks and start fresh the right way. If you ask anyone on here they will tell you that first time cycle should ALWAYS be test. Personaly i like Test E . I also dont think a 1st time user needs 600mg of eq a week. I dont know to much about eq i have never used it but as far as the test he would proly do just fine with 250mg every 5days.

[advanced-stealth]

400 to 600 a wk is fine for EQ

[Selene]

he should be using test, not eq for first cycle

I wish him best of luck

[syntheticmuscle]

I agree drop the dbol. 400mg/week eq and 500mg test cyp. it will take a little while for the results to start to show. if your eq is 200mg/cc you can shoot the eq and cyp once a week.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by EPOWER

I would tell him to drop the dbol, buy test e wait a few weeks and start fresh the right way. If you ask anyone on here they will tell you that first time cycle should ALWAYS be test. Personaly i like Test E . I also dont think a 1st time user needs 600mg of eq a week. I dont know to much about eq i have never used it but as far as the test he would proly do just fine with 250mg every 5days.

I agree. The first time I did a test only cycle I gained crazy. 26lbs later I was happy, I knew how my body was going to react in the future, and learned a bit about pinning. Its cheap and a no-brainer. Yeah, usually when people frontload D-bol, they start it the same time as the longer estered test. That way Youre not waiting for the test to kick in. I'd start over if I were him, but Im not him and its his body. I wish him luck.

[ArkRoyal]

Originally Posted by iceman7mc

My buddy is doing his first cycle and asked me to find out some info for him. He already started taking DBOL at 20 mgs every day. He will do this for 4 weeks. On the third week he will start taking 600 mg of EQ per week. (he has enough to last 12 weeks at this dosage so any variation suggestions are cool). I suggested to add on some test being that it is his first cycle instead of getting more dbol. Would 400 mg Test combined with 600 mg EQ every week be pretty solid for him? This would also be after the four weeks of dbol. (the dbol he already bought and started) The EQ is already bought, but wont arrive till next week (4th week of dbol). I know you should have everything organized before you start but it's his first cycle and im trying to give him a hand. Any suggestions or ideas are appreciated. Thanks.

I think your friend is a lot smarter then the guys that parrot "test should be the first AAS you do." I think they are just repeating things they have heard before and repeat it without any understanding at all.

EQ is a good first choice because it doesn't shut you down like test and it doesn't convert to estrogen like test. So side effects will be much less and recovery will be much easier then a test only cycle. The Dbol is a different story but he is only doing 20mg for four weeks so he should be OK. I would suggest against added test to this guys first cycle. It will only increase sides and make it harder to get production of his own test started again. This will lead to a crash.

Do yourself and your friend a favor and don't believe the so called gurus on this forum. Read the steroid profiles. There are some very indepth ones on many good boards. Think about what you have read and think about what you are trying to do. Always remember the goal is to keep what you gained, You can only do that by getting your own natural test production up as fast as possible. This means avoid shutting it down in the first place. That is why EQ is a good first choice, It doesn't shut you down like test does.

I am somewhat concerned about the four weeks of dbol. Your friend might consider using Hcg at around 500 iu every third day. This will stimulate his own production of test, so there will be some added but it's his own, and it will keep is balls primed to begin producing test when the cycle stops. If he does this and runs a good PCT he should be very happy with the results. And he should be able to keep just about all he has gained. If he adds test he will gain a little more but will lose most of it when he crashes.

[dennis]

Arkroyal..you are not going to make many friends around here.

[EPOWER]

Originally Posted by dennis

Arkroyal..you are not going to make many friends around here.

HAHAHA..YEAH I DONT THINK TO MANY PPL ARE GOING TO LIKE THIS GUY!

[solo47]

My question is: After going three weeks on Dbol alone, why begin your EQ (or Test, if you get talked into it) only then? The whole point of Dbol is get your body to kick into gear quickly while you wait the apx 3 weeks for your Test (long esters) or EQ to become active in your body. You should begin the Test or EQ the same day you begin the Dbol.

Dbol is highly androgenic while EQ is not. If you stick with EQ alone after stopping the Dbol, I predict a noticeable loss of libido, but that may not be a problem for you.

Solo

[HDH]

Originally Posted by ArkRoyal

I think your friend is a lot smarter then the guys that parrot "test should be the first AAS you do." I think they are just repeating things they have heard before and repeat it without any understanding at all.

EQ is a good first choice because it doesn't shut you down like test and it doesn't convert to estrogen like test. So side effects will be much less and recovery will be much easier then a test only cycle. The Dbol is a different story but he is only doing 20mg for four weeks so he should be OK. I would suggest against added test to this guys first cycle. It will only increase sides and make it harder to get production of his own test started again. This will lead to a crash.

Do yourself and your friend a favor and don't believe the so called gurus on this forum. Read the steroid profiles. There are some very indepth ones on many good boards. Think about what you have read and think about what you are trying to do. Always remember the goal is to keep what you gained, You can only do that by getting your own natural test production up as fast as possible. This means avoid shutting it down in the first place. That is why EQ is a good first choice, It doesn't shut you down like test does.

I am somewhat concerned about the four weeks of dbol. Your friend might consider using Hcg at around 500 iu every third day. This will stimulate his own production of test, so there will be some added but it's his own, and it will keep is balls primed to begin producing test when the cycle stops. If he does this and runs a good PCT he should be very happy with the results. And he should be able to keep just about all he has gained. If he adds test he will gain a little more but will lose most of it when he crashes.

First I want to start off by saying that we are all grown men and can do any cycle we choose as a first. It doesn't matter if it's EQ, Winny, Deca , oral only or Test only. We will grow as long as we eat, train and rest properly. The fact remains that there are better choices than others.

Now, aas works through two different pathways, androgen receptor and non-androgen receptor. The reason I have stated this is because EQ doesn't work through both pathways. D-bol would have to be added for both pathways to be in effect. As a kick-start, it wouldn't do much good throughout the cycle though. Test would be the best option because it works through both pathways which makes it the best product for using only one aas. Tren works through both also but I'm sure that we can agree that Tren is not one of the best choices for a first cycle.

You seem like you have been around for a while and have a lot of knowledge and knowledge is always welcome on these forums. What I can't figure out is the whole "you're going to crash scare" that you seem to be using. A 500mg Test only cycle is one of the easiest to recover from and as long as you have some gyno protection on hand it is a much better cycle than EQ for a first. With a good PCT, "crashing" even on a heavy multi-aas is not a big problem.

I'm not sure if you are holding a grudge towards members of this board and are trying to discredit their knowledge but your argument for EQ being better than a Test only cycle (no matter if it's cycle #1 or cycle #10) is just not convincing.

Stick around and lighten up. We can probably learn from each other

HDH

[dennis]

Could this ark guy be a disgruntled ex meso member just trying to stay on board under a new name ???/ someone who used to post 30 times daily but has not in several days

[HDH]

Originally Posted by dennis

Could this ark guy be a disgruntled ex meso member just trying to stay on board under a new name ???/ someone who used to post 30 times daily but has not in several days

Not sure about that one because of the EQ for a first cycle and HCG every 3 days.

HDH