250mg Test E, 150mg Deca - 16 weeks..

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I remember your last post. You were trying to get back online naturally. Have you given that idea up? I am only pointing out because you should REALLY consider leaving the Deca alone for now as it will only further the murk in the water for future attempts at natural stabilization. Deca is awsome for joints, but it comes with its own set of cons with long term use....

Did you ever get some steady HCG going? You need to and especially while on any form of supplementation. Did you ever try another attempt at restart with clomid or Nolva?

I am only pointing out the concern with the Deca as who knows how long that stuff will remain a player in deactivation of pituitary output?? You are going to find (for sure) that TRT is not all that it is cracked up to be. It is the farthest thing from the magic bullet you are looking for. It sounds simple enough on the surface, but the truth is that there are all kinds of variables of which their significance increases with the amount of time you are supplementing test. E2 will always be a problem, way more so than a brief cycle will reveal. To conduct TRT properly, you really need to incorporate HCG in order to keep your boys from "falling off". Testosterone begins to provoke different, varied, and diminished response over time (IMO).. And just when you think you are doing TRT right, everything falls apart again. Replacement is best conducted with a good measure of constant change and there is no really good way to exact a best protocol. My cock spends most of its time not operating optimally while I am on TRT. God only knows what it is doing to my prostate as changes in prostate performance, production, and ejaculation are so prominant and hard to pin down.

My point is: If you must, you must. I know what it is like to live with low T and it sucks. But be sure you have exhausted all you avenues as you will surely always long for that natural condition we were built with. At nearly 40, that is gone for me so I make the best of supplementation, but if you are young you stand a much better chance for recovery, with time and proper treatment. Consider your options and leave Deca alone until you are sure you are through naturally.

Originally Posted by LifeSize

heh. yea..

my source is good, and im not worried about quality. 200mg a week is more than what I'm producing now..so I should see results. the low dose deca is mainly for joint support and a bit of strength. really the point is to keep my joints happy.. right now what limits me in my natural gains is joint pain.. By the time I'm warmed up, my elbows are fucking swole and tight and immobile by the next day..

we'll see.. I may just end up on prop and tren at a low dose and include 200mg of deca a week for joint support.. I assume that if i don't go over 400-500mg of a nandrol i shouldnt experience EXTREME sides.. Ive ran 700mg of Tren A and I was sorta fine.. :P fine enough to be willing to do it again.. but that's not what my intentions are here..

Just trying to stay low dose so that I can come off, recover, and be ready to cycle hard for the summer.. :P