2nd cycle advise?

[spartan-7-]

hi, finished my first cycle 6 months ago and am planing a second now.. before i started my cycle i was 178 pounds, im 23 and 6 ft,been training hard for 5 years in gym, i did a sus only cycle at 750mls a wk for 15 wks, thats including build up and taper down as well, finished with hcg and tamox for pct and my finishing weight was 200 pounds.
i am sitting just under 200 now and thinking of running this cycle for my 2nd....
D-bol 20mg a day wks 1-4
sus 250 at 1250ml wks 1-8
deca 200 at 600ml wks 1-12
winstol tabs 20 a day wks 8-12
for pct:
hcg at 500ui every 3rd day for wks 13-16
and tamoxifin 1 tab every day for wks 13-19

i want to go for size, im looking for similar gains like in my first cycle around 20 pounds of weight gain, they above cycle is roughly what i was going to do but i had a few questions about it?
1: i know deca shuts you down hard, unless you have a test base in your cycle, im going to be tapering down my sus wks 8-11, plus having winny as well to try and rip me up a little, do you think that the combination of the 2, will be enough to act as a test base for that last month?
2:i ran the sus 250 for 12wks for my 1st cycle at 750mls a wk, but i stopped gaining at wk 8, now was that because sus usually stops gaining around that time frame, or was it that i had reached my maximum weight gain on 750mls a wk, does that mean i have to increase my mls in order to get
more weight gain, thats why i have put the sus to wk 1-8 this time, because i stopped gaining at that point last time, but my mls are going to be more so im not to sure on wat to do here?
3: i no that you need more steriods to get the same effect that you did in your last cycle, compared to my sus only cycle do you think that the above one if good enough to get me another
20 pound gain?
in closing mate i just want to be massive, so any advice on the above cycle and questions would
be much appreciated...thank you for your time

[Bleo83]

Ok bro I am not an expert by any means, But I can tell you this, alot of people including a well known writer for steroids that I know will tell you more is not better.
You did 750mg of sust your last cycle, so now you want to up it to 1250!
Keeping the sust at say 500mg a week and adding another compund to your cycle like deca at 400-500mg a week will give you decent results, and if your so struck on it you can add the d-bol for a kick start, but other would be best to advise you on the d-bol. even if you dont use the d-bol you still 1000mg of gear with 2 compunds at 500mg a week. run it for 12 weeks and you'll be good. you could even go for EQ because it makes you more hungry.

Anyway you say you want to be huge!! Just remember to be sensible with what your doing to your body bro, because if you ruin it you wont be getting big. and also be nice to your natural test champ your still only 23, so take it easy on your boys.

Hope this helped.

Good luck.

B

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by spartan-7-

hi, finished my first cycle 6 months ago and am planing a second now.. before i started my cycle i was 178 pounds, im 23 and 6 ft,been training hard for 5 years in gym, i did a sus only cycle at 750mls a wk for 15 wks, thats including build up and taper down as well, finished with hcg and tamox for pct and my finishing weight was 200 pounds.
i am sitting just under 200 now and thinking of running this cycle for my 2nd....
D-bol 20mg a day wks 1-4
sus 250 at 1250ml wks 1-8
deca 200 at 600ml wks 1-12
winstol tabs 20 a day wks 8-12
for pct:
hcg at 500ui every 3rd day for wks 13-16
and tamoxifin 1 tab every day for wks 13-19

i want to go for size, im looking for similar gains like in my first cycle around 20 pounds of weight gain, they above cycle is roughly what i was going to do but i had a few questions about it?
1: i know deca shuts you down hard, unless you have a test base in your cycle, im going to be tapering down my sus wks 8-11, plus having winny as well to try and rip me up a little, do you think that the combination of the 2, will be enough to act as a test base for that last month?
2:i ran the sus 250 for 12wks for my 1st cycle at 750mls a wk, but i stopped gaining at wk 8, now was that because sus usually stops gaining around that time frame, or was it that i had reached my maximum weight gain on 750mls a wk, does that mean i have to increase my mls in order to get
more weight gain, thats why i have put the sus to wk 1-8 this time, because i stopped gaining at that point last time, but my mls are going to be more so im not to sure on wat to do here?
3: i no that you need more steriods to get the same effect that you did in your last cycle, compared to my sus only cycle do you think that the above one if good enough to get me another
20 pound gain?
in closing mate i just want to be massive, so any advice on the above cycle and questions would
be much appreciated...thank you for your time

#1. You were way too small to cycle.
#2. 750mg is too high.
#3. 15 weeks is way too long.

#4. When you hit 210 natty at 11% BF ( after 1 year+ off cycle) or less let us know, at that time you can run another cycle.

[spartan-7-]

thanks mate thats good advise, much appreciated, i just figure if am going for a cycle i mays well jack it up and get some good results, instead of not doing enough and getting no were, can you make the same gains on the 2nd cycle with the same amount if sus that you used on your first? not
sure hay, so want to make sure with other compounds.....
any way cheers for the imput

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by spartan-7-

thanks mate thats good advise, much appreciated, i just figure if am going for a cycle i mays well jack it up and get some good results, instead of not doing enough and getting no were, can you make the same gains on the 2nd cycle with the same amount if sus that you used on your first? not
sure hay, so want to make sure with other compounds.....
any way cheers for the imput

I ran 400-500mg test only for my first 5 cycles, went from 220 to 260 just doing that. I only ran them 6-8 weeks.


More is not better IMO.

[spartan-7-]

good call foreman. shall take it all back to the drawing board then and recess the situation.

[ForemanRules]

If you run short cycles , use test prop. 150mg eod is Godlike for a beginner, and recovery is much better than a 12 week long ester cycle.

[spartan-7-]

will you stop gaining because you have reached your limit with that amount of sus, or is wk 8 sort of a cut off point for gains for any test?

[bigpump0000]

the best thing to do on your 2nd cycle is to take 500-750 mg test for an extendid period of time. stack it with somthing like equipoise or deca. if waight is the focus of the cycle then deca is the best choise and the d bol is good to start with but not needed when sustanon is used beacuse the diferent esters of test. some of the esters beacome active the same day and thus you dont need to jump start your cycle with it . but you can still use it if you think you need an extra kick to start your cycle. what i would do is start with 500 deca and the dbol for the first 3-4 weeks then stop the dbol and add 500-750 test and then stop the deca 4 weeks after that. and insted of winstrol try equipoise at 500mg weekly from week 1-12. so this is what your cycle will look like.

WEEK1-4 500mg deca, Dbol
WEEK 5-8 500 mg deca, 500 test.
WEEK 9-12 500 mg test,
WEEK 1-12equipoise 500 mg week.
WEEK 10- 13 take tamoxifin
WEEK 13-15 take hcg

this stack will give you an explosive waight gain and will then have a steady increes after the enishal gains are acheved .

i feel that this cycle will be vary good at giving you rapid gains in both mass and strength.
what will happen is that the deca is only good to take for about 8 weeks so starting with that and then adding the test at week 5 will boost the gains and strength then stoping the deca when it's efect deminishes. the eq gives you a stedy build up of mass and strength and it should not be used with out test IE it will make you impotent. you can take eq for longer but take it for at least 12 weeks sence it is only and mostly efectiv in long derations its vary good at giving you good quality mass that will last. not soft watery mass that starts to go away when you stop using it.

this will be a good start for you its best to mix diferent gear. beacust the efect of one substance subsides after a period of time unless it was made to last longer. take sustanon for example it is a mixture of 4 esters of test. 1 that only is activ for 2-3 days and others that last 3-4 weeks. and thair efect peeks and then deminishes after 8-12 weeks witch means you should substiute it with somthing else. witch is what cycleing is all about.

[bigpump0000]

Originally Posted by bigpump0000

the best thing to do on your 2nd cycle is to take 500-750 mg test for an extendid period of time. stack it with somthing like equipoise or deca. if waight is the focus of the cycle then deca is the best choise and the d bol is good to start with but not needed when sustanon is used beacuse the diferent esters of test. some of the esters beacome active the same day and thus you dont need to jump start your cycle with it . but you can still use it if you think you need an extra kick to start your cycle. what i would do is start with 500 deca and the dbol for the first 3-4 weeks then stop the dbol and add 500-750 test and then stop the deca 4 weeks after that. and insted of winstrol try equipoise at 500mg weekly from week 1-12. so this is what your cycle will look like.

WEEK1-4 500mg deca, Dbol
WEEK 5-8 500 mg deca, 500 test.
WEEK 9-12 500 mg test,
WEEK 1-12equipoise 500 mg week.
WEEK 10- 13 take tamoxifin
WEEK 13-15 take hcg

this stack will give you an explosive waight gain and will then have a steady increes after the enishal gains are acheved .

i feel that this cycle will be vary good at giving you rapid gains in both mass and strength.
what will happen is that the deca is only good to take for about 8 weeks so starting with that and then adding the test at week 5 will boost the gains and strength then stoping the deca when it's efect deminishes. the eq gives you a stedy build up of mass and strength and it should not be used with out test IE it will make you impotent. you can take eq for longer but take it for at least 12 weeks sence it is only and mostly efectiv in long derations its vary good at giving you good quality mass that will last. not soft watery mass that starts to go away when you stop using it.

this will be a good start for you its best to mix diferent gear. beacust the efect of one substance subsides after a period of time unless it was made to last longer. take sustanon for example it is a mixture of 4 esters of test. 1 that only is activ for 2-3 days and others that last 3-4 weeks. and thair efect peeks and then deminishes after 8-12 weeks witch means you should substiute it with somthing else. witch is what cycleing is all about.

the 12 week cycle is a good start and to follow this up you should wate at leest 12 more weeks befor starting another cycle. you should keep workig out and you will start to loose your gains but dont fear this is normal DO NOT GET DISCURAGED !! it hapens to evry one. even ronnie collman. just do your best to keep working out and after 12 weeks off your body will be recoverd and your gains will be perminent. thats right PERMINENT! that means if you keep working out you will stay that big. then if you still are not satisfied at this point do another cycle the same or diferent its up to you. but the cycle i told you about is good for any one if done corectly.

[spartan-7-]

wow! savage cycle, def would see some big gains on that, but do you think i need that many compounds for 2nd cycle, should i save some for later on....i propose this

wks 1-16 eq at 600ml
wks 2-12 sus at 750ml
wks 1-4 and 14-18 dbol 20mg ed
wks19-22 hcg 500ui eod
wks19-25 tamox 20mg ed

could the dbol in wks 14-18 work as a test base so i dont got impotent from the eq,plus to keep my strength up as sus is dying down, plus that way i could start my pct a day after i finish dbol and by that time eq levels will be ready to start pct aswell,
iv heard that eq gets best results at that length and at that dose, what dose any1 think of this cycle?