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Old 11-23-2004, 02:42 AM
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G'day fellas,

Just thought I would ask for some Guidance running my first cycle 8 weeks of
500mg test / 300mg deca with clomid PCT.

My Stats are, Age: 24, Height:5'7-8 (guess), weight:184lbs, Training:3yrs

This is week 2 so far have noticed a little more strength and firmness.

My Diet consits of
1st B-Fast:1cup oatmeal, 6 egg omlet,
2nd Protein Shake (650ml avg) with 2 bannans,
3rd Meat chicken beef ect.. with rice or veg(plate full),
4th Protein bar or shake,(650ml avg)
5th Pasta , more of meal three or some beans on toast(if I am lazy)
6th what ever is left i.e cold chicken, or maybe another shake.

My Questions are
1)
I have been getting really Crook guts at work, taking maybe 3 shits
during a 8hr shift. Is it that I am eating to much Fiber or I am alergic to
milk? though I have never had that problem before maybe its the quanity.

2)
I train for 1-1.5 hrs five days a week with maybe 2hrs cardio on top of this
is this enough or should I spend longer in the gym per session?

3)
When will I be albe to notice any physical gains from this cycle,

Any help no matter how brief would be great.

Tar AussieBloke
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Old 11-23-2004, 03:09 AM
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do you have enough gear to run the cycle for a few more weeks? (about 10 wks would be better) also you might want to run the test one more week than the deca since it is so long lasting...the shits are probably from the fiber, if it was milk related you should have gas and probably bloating too (you can buy lactase pills at the store if it is milk)...but there's nothing wrong with 2-3 BMs/day as long as you don't have diarrhea..1-1.5 hrs should be enough time in the gym depending on how focused you are and if you talk a lot, you should really start to "feel" the effects in the third or fourth week and this should make you feel like you can lift forever but just be sure to challenge yourself with increased weight and intensity, not necessarily a longer workout session.. what's your goal for this cycle? if you are bulking you might want to up the calories- probably at least 500-700cals/meal that will put you in the 3-4000 cal/day range...there's a thread on here about "deca sucks" which I never even read, because I love how I don't have any pain in my knee when I use it...also, do you have any nolvadex for any e-sides?
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Only have enough gear on hand for an 8 week cycle, have nolva on hand for GYNO and bloat.

Will try to up my food intake, any sugestions on a quick high protien carb meal?

Aim of this first 'short' cycle is just to see how my body handles the gear and to bulk up, if I put on 15-20lbs I'll be more than happy.

As for training, I try to read as much as I can to use better methdology, I usually train alone and don't talk to anyone in the GYM so its pretty solid.

Tar for the help will concentrate on 'Quality of Training' not quanity and up the food intake carbs and protien especially
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Only have enough gear on hand for an 8 week cycle, have nolva on hand for GYNO and bloat.

Will try to up my food intake, any sugestions on a quick high protien carb meal?

Aim of this first 'short' cycle is just to see how my body handles the gear and to bulk up, if I put on 15-20lbs I'll be more than happy.

As for training, I try to read as much as I can to use better methdology, I usually train alone and don't talk to anyone in the GYM so its pretty solid.

Tar for the help will concentrate on 'Quality of Training' not quanity and up the food intake carbs and protien especially
Aussie,
Substantially increase your food quantity. Write it out by grams of protein/carbs/fats. As Karch says, you need about 350 grams of protein/day. Total calories should be roughly 4,500 day in and day out. Right now I can see you're substantially short of those numbers.

Drop the cardio down to 30 minutes of easy cardio (30 minute brisk walk for example) 3x/week. The training forum will give you a lot of great ideas from extremely knowledgable people.

Unfortunately, with the right quantity of food, you'll probably be crapping 5x/day. No way to avoid that.

If you're doing things right, you should start seeing good things happen after about 3 weeks. That part is all up to you.

Good luck,
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Looks like you are correct Max, added all of what I ate yesterday on FitDay and it came up short.

Cals 2702 Fat 69 Carb 248 Protein 263

Gunna try wack another 100gs of protien and up the Cals.

As for training I am waking up sore as a Mofo everyday, So either I must
be doing somthink right or something very wrong.

The consistance of my BM's is a little on the Runny side, I think its deal to the amount of milk I have been drinking.
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this isn't the nutrition forum, but try adding some all natural peanut butter and cottage cheese to your diet
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Do try to get a shake down post workout, using a WPC with both Maltodextrin & Dextrose Monohydrate(Musashi Bulk).

Will post for adv in the training forum, got measurements done yesterday so will be interesting to compare with 1 months time.

Good page on Dextrose here
=> http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/magazine03/dextrose.htm

lots of science though.
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Train 3-4 days per week 2 body parts at a time (not including abs) and train them hard. I work out every 2 days for 45-65min. and never work the same body part more than once a week. I found when I did my gains were way less. I don't do any cardio, but I don't have a weight problem. 2 hours is a bit much if you're trying to grow.
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Yep have cut down on the training especially the cardio, now training with some olympic and powerlifters. My back is killing me but the workouts are exceptional.

Never really did much with dead lifts before but there are an excellent exercise.

Training 5 days a week, one major and one minor group per day.
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