500mg of test for 10-12 weeks safe for a first cycle

[PUMP2356]

Hey guys,


I was just curious as to why many boards say to start off with 500mg of test for 10-12 weeks since in anabolics editions (especially 2006) is gives example cycles that are very low such as test enanthate at 250mg a week stacked with eq at 250mg a week for a total of 10 weeks. I know the author's main concern in on safety; however, he insisted with the right nutrition, attitude, and training a newbie would produce dramatic results on the cycles listed.

I know one of my former trainers who only took 20mg of dianabol(maybe 25 i can't remember exactly but it was very low) along with 250 mg of deca for 8 weeks and went from 160-205 and dropped down to 185 lean after the cycle without pct (since pct didn't exist during his time). He is also short at around 5'6 and could squat and dead over 315 for 10-12 reps 3-4 sets before juicing too.

Also, didn't mick hart put his son on low dosages of sustanon and deca at 250 a piece for 8 weeks and he put on around 35-40 pounds that he kept in two cycles...

So I was interested in hearing guys thoughts on how much is actually needed to grow safely for a "recreational bodybuiler" and shouldn't 8 weeks be the max for a cycle if using over 500mg of test or using dianabol since the amound of stress being put on the organs and also in the long run too.

I just find this interesting since I see guys who can put on 20+ pounds on just 250mg of test a week for 8 weeks for a first cycle as compared to many guys putting only 15-20 at 500mg and then losing alot after pct... Is training and nutrition lacking ?
Given the guys using low dosages I know are financially blessed where they don't have to work currently and eat and go to the gym all day with their trainers.

[Big_paul]

500mg test e was my first cycle and the gains were big. if you added 250mg eq to 250 test ew you will still have mush of the anabolic effect without as much of the androgenic sides you may have with 500mg test although 500mg test shouldn't give you much trouble. same with the example you give with a trainer you know he's using 250mg deca ew with 25mg dbol edthe deca provides a strong anabolic effect with little or no androgenic sides.
here we tell you what has worked for us in the past. 400-500mg test ew seems to be a minimum dose for test weekly unless you stack it with another aas

[PUMP2356]

So could an individual add in primo or deca at 200mg a week to test at 250mg a week and get the same or close to the same results of test 500mg without being so harsh on the organs ?

[jsupstarz]

If you go 500mg injectible like test E> It is not going to be harsh on your organs. You are still proposing the same amount of test with just more injections. You should just go with testosterone, you'll get massive gains for your first cycle. Don't make it too complicated yet. That will come in time. You can go 250mg test ew but if your gonna go 200mg of this and 250 of that then just go 500mg TEST /wk. Simple. Minimal injections. Great gains.

[PUMP2356]

but by adding in say deca or eq , your keeping the androgen dose lower so less sides, or in this case at the dosages probably no sides. deca 200 on one day and 250 of test on another is still two shots. So the same shots as if doing 500mg of test...

But if starting at 500 straight away won't the individual have to increase the dosage on the second or third cycle and since its a first cycle anyone is going to gain 15+ pounds if training and diet are ideal..

why start higher than needed?

[advanced-stealth]

Exactly keep it simple for your first cycle.

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

If you go 500mg injectible like test E> It is not going to be harsh on your organs. You are still proposing the same amount of test with just more injections. You should just go with testosterone, you'll get massive gains for your first cycle. Don't make it too complicated yet. That will come in time. You can go 250mg test ew but if your gonna go 200mg of this and 250 of that then just go 500mg TEST /wk. Simple. Minimal injections. Great gains.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by PUMP2356

but by adding in say deca or eq , your keeping the androgen dose lower so less sides, or in this case at the dosages probably no sides. deca 200 on one day and 250 of test on another is still two shots. So the same shots as if doing 500mg of test...

But if starting at 500 straight away won't the individual have to increase the dosage on the second or third cycle and since its a first cycle anyone is going to gain 15+ pounds if training and diet are ideal..

why start higher than needed?

Absolutley not. People grow of 500mg/wk for a while. If that was the case then everybody on their 5th cycle would be running like 2000mg/wk. rec.site down reg, isn't gonna happen that fast. It's different for everyone. If you run deca you are gonna get more sides and it's gonna shut you lib. down much more as well. It's not necessary at all. If anything I would say go 250mg / wk of test before test/deca, ya just don't need it.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by PUMP2356

but by adding in say deca or eq , your keeping the androgen dose lower so less sides, or in this case at the dosages probably no sides. deca 200 on one day and 250 of test on another is still two shots. So the same shots as if doing 500mg of test...

But if starting at 500 straight away won't the individual have to increase the dosage on the second or third cycle and since its a first cycle anyone is going to gain 15+ pounds if training and diet are ideal..

why start higher than needed?

If that's what you want to run then run it. You will be fine either way. Inject them in the same shot but split it into two per week.

HDH

[bastiaan0740]

I always advocate 500mg/week as a first cycle. I don't feel 250 is that much safer. 250 will shut you down just as much with little gains in comparison. Just my opinion.

[jsupstarz]

Yeah, especially if your goal is to really get bulked up.

[HDH]

Just how bad do you think these sides are?

HDH