8 months after EQ/T cycle, small balls

[jago25_98]

About 8 months ago I did a 12 week 500mg/500mg EQ/Test Cyp cycle.

It was just an experiment more than anything else.

The first thing I noticed was a nice confidence. A useful experience for sport and on the pull especially. After 5 weeks my balls had shrunk loads and that spooked me a bit.

Then I started running low on cash at week 6 so I decided to cut short and switched over to PCT cutting down the Test&EQ in weeks 7 & 8, deciding not to touch it again. Can't remember dose of PCT (pregyl I think) but I know I had to be careful with this stuff so I don't think I over did it (might have under measured a bit though).

Since then I met a girl (another reason why I wanted to stop) and spent all my time with her instead of training like mad. At first I kept a maintainace shedule, changing goals to stamina and flexibility (she's a physio) but then somehow for 3 or 4 months it dropped to next to nothing.

Been back at the gym a few times since and I notice I've lost A LOT of strength; right back to what I was whenever I started training natural years ago plus about 20%. The muscle memory is there though so I feel confident about getting it back.

But that's not the problem. I'm worried about my natural Test production. My balls feel so small and mushy, I'd say 40% off what they were before the cycle. I'm 100% sure of this and it's 8 months on. Not nice. They have definately got bigger but not to what they were before by a long way. In addition to that physical thing I don't feel as aggressive/confident/that Test feeling. I was a total pansy surfing when I could have handled it before the cycle.

If I get back in the gym will things pick up?

I'm thinking, is this the lack of proper training or have I fucked my balls on a 500EQ/500Test 6 week cycle?

What would you guys suggest?

[jago25_98]

Reading about I've seen another guy who was going to do 10 day PCT so hackskii said go for 30 days.

Also seen some say 6 weeks.

I was only running Nolva and HCG for 10 days. That's the mistake I think.


So should I get on the Nolva and HCG when I can?

[swelty]

Originally Posted by jago25_98

Reading about I've seen another guy who was going to do 10 day PCT so hackskii said go for 30 days.

Also seen some say 6 weeks.

I was only running Nolva and HCG for 10 days. That's the mistake I think.


So should I get on the Nolva and HCG when I can?

i have never had that problem, but maybe some clomid for 2-3 weeks may help.

[terrorizer2]

Originally Posted by jago25_98

Reading about I've seen another guy who was going to do 10 day PCT so hackskii said go for 30 days.

Also seen some say 6 weeks.

I was only running Nolva and HCG for 10 days. That's the mistake I think.


So should I get on the Nolva and HCG when I can?

So you were running HCG and nolva together?.HCG is NOT part of PCT despite what some people seem to think.I would run HCG then PCT again.This time do HCG for three weeks at 500iu's 3 times a week.Hopefully this should get your balls back to life.When starting the HCG start nolva at 20mg a day and continue for 4 weeks after HCG finishes.Then reassess from there.

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[Selene]

Originally Posted by terrorizer2

So you were running HCG and nolva together?.HCG is NOT part of PCT despite what some people seem to think.I would run HCG then PCT again.This time do HCG for three weeks at 500iu's 3 times a week.Hopefully this should get your balls back to life.When starting the HCG start nolva at 20mg a day and continue for 4 weeks after HCG finishes.Then reassess from there.

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Very good advise

[enduranceAthlete]

Originally Posted by terrorizer2

So you were running HCG and nolva together?.HCG is NOT part of PCT despite what some people seem to think.I would run HCG then PCT again.This time do HCG for three weeks at 500iu's 3 times a week.Hopefully this should get your balls back to life.When starting the HCG start nolva at 20mg a day and continue for 4 weeks after HCG finishes.Then reassess from there.

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Ii think that's what most people on this board are going to tell you. Maybe go six weeks with the Nolva. My experience was a steady dosage with time being the key element.

[jago25_98]

Unfortunately I will be working out of the country and it won't be clear how long I'll be around for in one visit. Obviously I can't take anything like that with me.

What can be done? Go to doctor?

[Ramstein II]

Go see a urologist and get blood work. Check your total test, free test, estrogen, LH, FSH levels. Do you really remember how big your balls were before? It would be very unusual to not recover from such a short cycle after about 16 weeks even with no PCT. But, you're concerned about it and seem confident that your balls are still small. So, go see a urologist. He can measure them and tell you where you fall on the bell curve. 4cm long by (I think) 2-3 cm wide is normal. Measure them in the morning when they should be at their fullest.

Clomid or Nolva therapy may help get your LH levels up (if they are low) which should stimulate growth. HCG will mimick high levels of LH and speed this up but will shut down your HPTA.

Go to the doc, dude. You'll feel better.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by Ramstein II

Go see a urologist and get blood work. Check your total test, free test, estrogen, LH, FSH levels. Do you really remember how big your balls were before? It would be very unusual to not recover from such a short cycle after about 16 weeks even with no PCT. But, you're concerned about it and seem confident that your balls are still small. So, go see a urologist. He can measure them and tell you where you fall on the bell curve. 4cm long by (I think) 2-3 cm wide is normal. Measure them in the morning when they should be at their fullest.

Clomid or Nolva therapy may help get your LH levels up (if they are low) which should stimulate growth. HCG will mimick high levels of LH and speed this up but will shut down your HPTA.

Go to the doc, dude. You'll feel better.

Agreed. Go get blood work.

[lou123]

Originally Posted by jago25_98

Unfortunately I will be working out of the country and it won't be clear how long I'll be around for in one visit. Obviously I can't take anything like that with me.

What can be done? Go to doctor?

Get a bottle of aspirin (large) and mix the Tamox in. Even if they inspect your luggage they won't go through every pill in the bottle.

Your better off with a prescription from a Dr but unless you have good insurance it will cost $$$