90 mg tbol!!!!!

[dannydaman]

been taking 70 mg tbol and 20 mg anavar for a wk thinking of going up to 90 mg tbol a day, whenrun out of anavar in a wk, , doing a 10 wk cycle, is milk thistle enough for liver protection, i dont drink alcohol. what sort of results can i expect in the next few wks??

[andysutils]

90mg is to much, id say 70-80mg max, you wont really get that good resulsts from it, youll gain some pretty good definition and maybe 5lbs gain but nothing special

[dannydaman]

good definition is what i am gooding for , so u reckon that 80 mg is enough. then i will do 80 mg a day. cheers.

[andysutils]

yes, no need to go higher than that, dont be fooled into believing because tbol is much weaker than dbol that you can go ott with the doses, tbol is still highly liver toxic regardless.

followed with a good pct and keeping nutrition high during your pct, you should keep most of the gains from it.

[dannydaman]

ok so whats the max time i can do on this and what sort of pct wud u recomend?

[andysutils]

i wouldnt take any oral for more than 4 weeks, however, you can get away with cycling tbol for 8-10 weeks but i wouldnt go beyond that.

start with 40mg for the first 4 weeks as it takes around that to really start seeing the results anyway,
week 4-6 60mg a day
week6-10 80mg a day

then start the nolva around 2 days after your last dose,40/40/20/20 should be fine

[dannydaman]

why do i need to wait two days b4 starting nolva??

[andysutils]

Originally Posted by dannydaman

why do i need to wait two days b4 starting nolva??

because its a short life drug and it takes around that for the esters to start leaving your system with tbol. or you can just take it the day after your last dose if you prefer

[dannydaman]

yeh think i will play it safe dont wanna lose any muscle, will start taking it day after. so after 4 wks on nolva, can i go immediately bk on a a cycle say winstrol next time maybe

[andysutils]

hmm you can but im not sure why you are doing all these orals as there probably gonna shut you down with no real great gains, im not sure why youd want to jump straight back on a cycle to be honest, plus the fact they wont be doing your liver much good.

you can go abck on i guess, id start a cycle backup the same amount of time after i was on my last one inc PCT, so if my cycle had been 12 weeks inc PCT, id start no less than 14 weeks after that cycle.

[dannydaman]

ok i dunno about injecting what would be the closest thing to tbol injection wise, ?

[andysutils]

to be honest, orals are pussy ass cycles and not really worth the time, if you wanna do a proper cycle with proper results, go for 500mg test pw, or even better 500mg of sust, sust will kick in quicker than just lets say plain old test-e. Ive never understood how people can take orals and be feared of injections, im far more feared of orals and fearless of injections, orals are bad bro IMO, pins are the way to go

[dannydaman]

read abou the inject able steroids,the side effects seem pretty extreme. i am not afraid of injecting, but i dont wanna loose my hair of get acne etc, i know they make u big but i am more interested in quality not quantity, i wanna be ripped but not huge .is there an injectable steroid that would suit me at what dose?