a REAL Newbie.....

[thecoach]

I am probably not the typical body building type, but while researching potential steroids for myself, I keep coming to the more hardcore sites. Here is a little background..

I am 6 feet, 175 very athletic fit pounds. 35 years old. I played some pro tennis while younger, and have never taken steroids. I used creatine at times, and actually made some decent gains from it. I've been working out for years, and don't really have the desire to get 'huge' I like to have a slender look, but would like to put on 10 pounds of muscle. If could be 185 with 7 percent fat , would be ideal.

I was in Thailand recenlty, and noticed they sell all sorts of stuff at Pharmacies. I bought some Danabol, but didnt have the guts to try to bring it back in my suitcase, so I never used it. Doing some research, I am confused about what would be a good newbie cycle for myself. Obviously I am not looking for much weight gain. So something mild, but something that can give me a kick to my workouts. I do not want to inject, as I dont have anybody to inject it, and would feel uncomfortable doing it before.

It seems Dianabol would be a good starter at 20mg. I also noticed that i should take a testestorone with it.?? why? Since my goal is only 10 pounds , and hopefully i can keep most of it, would i still need to stack?

Any advice would be great. Thanks

[solo47]

Look in the stickies above and read the first articles in Freezer's First Cycle FAQs. Best place in the world to get a framework on thinking about using roids. Just don't listen to his archaic defense of clomid over tamoxifen as your best post cycle recovery (PCT) choice.

Solo

[Ironhorse]

What does your diet look like?

[thecoach]

Diet is quite good.. plenty of proteins, eating through out the day.. I don't drink very much. I do have an ability to gain weight after a long weekend of eating, or a week vacation at the buffett, so I do diet sometimes making sure I keep my waist around 33.... that is more important than getting big... I just want to add 10 pounds to my lean frame.

[agpando]

Originally Posted by solo47

Look in the stickies above and read the first articles in Freezer's First Cycle FAQs. Best place in the world to get a framework on thinking about using roids. Just don't listen to his archaic defense of clomid over tamoxifen as your best post cycle recovery (PCT) choice.

Solo

I totally agree with you Solo, reading the stickies is probably the best thing to do. If you really don't know much about gear then just read and research. Especially if this is your first cycle. Also just some advice, I wouldn't plan on running an all oral cycle if I was you, or anybody else. And also, make sure you get together a very good PCT, being as old as you are(no offense) you are at greater risk than some of us younger guys. Good Luck!

[unt0ld]

So you want to be 185 lbs. 10lbs of lean muscle.

Shouldn't be hard to do without steroids..

but at your age they wont hurt only help if you do them correctly and safely.

You want to use a mild steroid. Something to gain some lean muscle..

you have a few options..

My first choice for your 10 lb gain. with keeping all your gains would be Anavar. (Oxandrolone)

Im sure alot of people will agree with me on that.

It will be easy to recover from and wont shut you down as hard as dbol will.

Your second option I would suggest a 500mg per week testosterone cycle. running it for 10 to 12 weeks. you'll be garenteed to gain the 10lbs. but recovery will be much more difficult.


good luck coach!!


Get some HCG too.

[advanced-stealth]

Originally Posted by solo47

Look in the stickies above and read the first articles in Freezer's First Cycle FAQs. Best place in the world to get a framework on thinking about using roids. Just don't listen to his archaic defense of clomid over tamoxifen as your best post cycle recovery (PCT) choice.

Solo

Agree! Study up some first.

[asapnutrition1]

If you truly plan to use AAS then I would agree with everyone else and do some research but also don't be afraid to ask questions even if many will keep telling you to research, research and research.

Also realize that know matter how much you research and ask those in the know, finding the right cycle for you is also largely about experimentation. Everyone is different and cycles can effect everyone differently and unfortunately the only way to find the perfect cycle for you is to research and to experiment.

[thecoach]

thanks untold for the advice...

did some more research... don't think I wanna do that Dbol orals for a first cycle...

Being a bit older, and not looking for bulk, I think Anavar is the way to go. Just order 150 10mg pills.. That should hopefully do the trick.

Any suggestions on a proper PCT for this cycle???

Thanks

[unt0ld]

Since this is your first time using anabolic steroids. You have no idea how your body will react to the steroids. You have no idea how hard you will be shut down and if you will get any testicular atrophy. With such a mild anavar cycle... 150 10 mg tabs.. i suggest you run the var at 40mg/day so thats 4 tabs a day.... so thats 28 tabs per week. so 150 divided by 28 is 5.3 so thats only 5 weeks... So coach i suggest you double what your planning on buying and get 300 10 mg tabs. running the var for 5 weeks by the time the var starts to put weight on you, youll be coming off the stuff and wont gain a thing. so get 300 10mg tabs.

Tamoxifen Citrate (nolva) is great for getting you back online and works well for many people ive heard...

but im not the expert on post cycle therapy .. just b/c ive never attempted to come off of steroids...

so at your age i suggest getting some HCG just to make sure you get your natural levels back.. You can run the hcg durring the whole cycle to make sure you get zero atrophy or you can run it for the first week before you come off and the following 3 weeks after you discontinue the var...

read up on PCT. in the stickies at the top of the forum.

good luck bro.

[swelty]

Originally Posted by unt0ld

Since this is your first time using anabolic steroids. You have no idea how your body will react to the steroids. You have no idea how hard you will be shut down and if you will get any testicular atrophy. With such a mild anavar cycle... 150 10 mg tabs.. i suggest you run the var at 40mg/day so thats 4 tabs a day.... so thats 28 tabs per week. so 150 divided by 28 is 5.3 so thats only 5 weeks... So coach i suggest you double what your planning on buying and get 300 10 mg tabs. running the var for 5 weeks by the time the var starts to put weight on you, youll be coming off the stuff and wont gain a thing. so get 300 10mg tabs.

Tamoxifen Citrate (nolva) is great for getting you back online and works well for many people ive heard...

but im not the expert on post cycle therapy .. just b/c ive never attempted to come off of steroids...

so at your age i suggest getting some HCG just to make sure you get your natural levels back.. You can run the hcg durring the whole cycle to make sure you get zero atrophy or you can run it for the first week before you come off and the following 3 weeks after you discontinue the var...

read up on PCT. in the stickies at the top of the forum.

good luck bro.

being such a mild steroid i wouldnt think u would need pct. but again thats my opinion!!!! to be honest you should have no problem gaining your target weight natural with proper dieting and training. i will agree with forty mgs ed of var if u go that route

[unt0ld]

yeah thats what i originally said..

Coach you prolly dont need steroids to gain your 10 lbs.

Just high calorie high protein high intensity high weight low reps lots of rest between sets lots of sleep at night and plenty of MILK!!!!

You can gain the 10 lbs no problem without steroids.

Steroids are very addicting... Once you see how you gain with them.. your never going to want to gain without them.. so be aware that they make you feel on top of the world and can be very addicting.

You dont need to take steroids to gain 10 lbs.

but they wont hurt if you do them safely.

PCT is allways needed no matter how mild the steroid is... trust me. its needed. even if its just nolva pct.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by unt0ld

yeah thats what i originally said..

Coach you prolly dont need steroids to gain your 10 lbs.

Just high calorie high protein high intensity high weight low reps lots of rest between sets lots of sleep at night and plenty of MILK!!!!

You can gain the 10 lbs no problem without steroids.



You dont need to take steroids to gain 10 lbs.



PCT is allways needed no matter how mild the steroid is... trust me. its needed. even if its just nolva pct.

Couldnt agree more!