About PEG MGF, Oratropin, IGF, please help

[scarmenprout]

Hello anabolicminds buddys,

I read forums all arounds and I will probably try some "cycle".

So ask you if you think PEG-MGF is better than old version ?
Is anyone try ORATROPINE-1 which it's a long lasting oral IGF made by ***.

But I thought understood that LR3-IGF (the more "populare" form of IGF) has this succes due to its "long lasting effect" compared regular IGF-1.
So what are the differences between both LR3 and Oratropine ?

Oratropine is as effective as LR3 ?

Is it stackable well with PEG-MGF ?


I just want my "cycle" size gain and muscle mass gain, I don't really care about fat gain or lost.
So what must I take, only PEG-MGF (or MGF old ?), only LR3-IGF, only Oratropine or both PEG-MGF(/MGF) Oratropine (/LR3).

Is there any supplement or "ritual" to enhance PEG MGF or IGF injection effect ?

Is it better to be a non or a high insulin resistant people ?

So how can I tweek those things ?


I read that someone bought oratropin 100$/kit, it's wrote $220/kit !!!!! Do you know if I could have the 100$/kit price (at least one time to try it !)


PS: In the absolute, I'd run into only one product, but I read that they work in perfect sinergy but is it real ?
Is one which give me muscle and the other fat burn (if yes, don't want the fat burn one)

In my "reading" I though understood that MGF will create new myoblast, and IGF will help the differenciation of muscles cells, and both have an hypertrophy effect


tanks !

[MaxRep]

You may want to read some of the scientific studies on IGF-1, LR3IGF-1 and taking oral IGF-1 for yourself.

As I recall from the studies I've read, taking IGF-1 orally results in approximately a 3% absorption rate. I remember thinking that despite the claims of a certain company as to the effectiveness of their oral IGF-1, it was a bunch of marketing BS and is a rip-off.

I believe there are plenty of threads already here on IGF-1. You may want to run a search and do some reading.

Best regards,
MaxRep

[scarmenprout]

Hi, thanks for your answer.

The problem is I already read many, many and many, thread, reviews, scientific studies etc.

And more, I'm french, so it's quite difficult for me.

But the REAL PROBLEM is : they are ALL discussed information ...

I though oral IGF-1 wasn't possible, but I saw it on I.B.E. website, so, useless or worth it ?

And so many discussion about which LR3-IGF and IGF-1 is better.

And also the same problem with MGF and PEG MGF.

So, I'm really confuse.


So tell me your opinion, and why : I'm young, don't care about fat gain or loss in anyway, I'm starting, only want some mass gain and size gain, not very rich. Don't want to be a "very imposant man", I'm 140lbs, just want reach 165lbs (as quick as possible of course lol) but within 6 months. I'm starting a fair bulking diet, I follow MAX-OT programm (so 5 train / week, Monday-Friday)

Also, I'm not "hardcore" trainer, just want a (huge if possible) help without really dangerous side effect (that why I don't go on AAS, and I really don't want acne and hair loss)


So which of those "product" will be the best ?

[MaxRep]

but I saw it on I.B.E. website, so, useless or worth it ?

I think I already answered this above.

As far as wanting to go with something like MGF or IGF-1 because of fewer side effects... that's a real laugh coming from someone who's already read numerous studies on the subject.

There's not been a single study done with humans on IGF-1 or MGF. The rat studies that have been done have shown huge increases in gut growth.

Also, you keep talking about IGF-1 and MGF as though they're two separate products. Strange, to say the least, for someone who's read the scientific studies on them. MGF is simply a variation of IGF-1.

Zero long term effects are known.

A good friend of mine who is a PhD researcher, his entire career revolves specifically around muscle hypertrophy personally believes it is crazy for all us bodybuilders to be taking IGF-1. He says IGF-1 receptors are in every tissue, muscle, organs, etc and with zero knowledge developed through studies, to be taken it is possibly suicide or future problems of whatever sort.

On the other hand you've got steroids which are a legitimate medicine and have only been studied on humans for about 45 years. The safety and effects of steroids are well known and documented. Safe dosages and unsafe doses are well known. Ways to mitigate negative side effects are well known.

As I said before, please run a search. All your questions have already been answered both on this forum and many others.

Good luck,
MaxRep

[scarmenprout]

Hey,

With all your respect, don't tell me I didn't read anything.

All thing you told me, I already know them, but many tell that a low dosage, with the shorter half as possible, intra muscular injection should be a good thing to prevent gut growth

but like I said is discussed, other told me than long hald life is better, high dosage will be better, some "version of MGF (like PEG-MGF) and LR3-IGF (for the IGF-1) have less side effect"

And I read I MY SCIENTIFIC STUDIES RESEARCH (!!!!!!!!!) that MGF is simply a variation of IGF-1, yes, but MGF seems to be better for hyperplesia, but "block" cell differentiation instead IGF-1 will enhance cell differentiation, but both at the same time is impossible, so we must manage with timming injection.

And all I asked you, it's to clear up all that confuson, thanks !

[jasthace]

Originally Posted by scarmenprout

So, I'm really confuse.


only want some mass gain and size gain, not very rich.I'm 140lbs, just want reach 165lbs (as quick as possible of course lol) but within 6 months. I

Also, I'm not "hardcore" trainer, just want a (huge if possible) help without really dangerous side effect (that why I don't go on AAS, and I really don't want acne and hair loss)

Excuse me young man,but how long have you been training?
Why on earth would you think you need to take these substances?
If you are not a hard trainer these products will do NOTHING for you.
You are only 140lbs{63kg} my 14yo son weighs more than that and he's only 5'4 tall.

You need to get your diet and training right and put in at least three honest years of hard training before you use any anabolic substances.
You probably don't have the self discipline and determination to train for that long.But you need to try, to see if you are really a bodybuilder or just another weak minded dreamer.

PS Does your mum know you are at this website.?

[scarmenprout]

Like I said, I'm ectomorphic guy, so I'm slim ... (so keep your narcissisme for you)

And more, I used to play everytime at soccer (and in some semi-pro levels). And soccer is a endurance based sport, so I'm just slim because I'm not "genetically" very muscle and I also have a very low fat levels.


'You are only 140lbs{63kg} my 14yo son weighs more than that and he's only 5'4 tall'

And perhaps is because of those jackass reaction that I want some "booster".

[role model]

Originally Posted by scarmenprout

Like I said, I'm ectomorphic guy, so I'm slim ... (so keep your narcissisme for you)

And more, I used to play everytime at soccer (and in some semi-pro levels). And soccer is a endurance based sport, so I'm just slim because I'm not "genetically" very muscle and I also have a very low fat levels.


'You are only 140lbs{63kg} my 14yo son weighs more than that and he's only 5'4 tall'

And perhaps is because of those jackass reaction that I want some "booster".

My suggestion is to not get involved with this stuff and train heavy, eat big and stick with what works the best like Testosterone. When I was younger I never could get over 200lbs till I stopped running so much, then I bulked up to about 250lbs rather quickly. I used to run about 25 miles a week.

[scarmenprout]

Lol, in that moment, I'm checking about a quite effective stack of steroid, could you help me.

There are too many ones ...

My aim : to bulk (if possible, real muscle gain)

My exigence : acne free side effect or very few.

The problem is I'm not well documented enough, I'm just starting considering this issue, because I always heard than steroid will always cause acne (I'm really really acne paranoiac, i mean, really), but I read that will depend of the type, is it ? And some, used at recommended dosage will be acne free side effect.

But the problem is, that we must do a PCT, but is this one may cause acne ?


(I already "notice" on website, as report wrote, acne free steroid reference : Equipoise, Deca (on recommended dosage), Anavar(on recommended dosage), Winstrol.

I think your quite better documented that I'm, I'll carry on my research, but If you could help me, it would be nice


THANKS BRO,

you would be very helpfull

[HDH]

All the steroids in the world won't help until you learn how to eat.

HDH

[scarmenprout]

Lol I think I have a good diet, but I only start it tomorrow

[iluvdeadlifts]

How many calories??

How much protein, carbs, fat??

How many days will you be training, and what body parts on each day?

What other supplements do you plan on taking? Creatine, glutamine, ZMA, vitamins?

If you don't know the answers to all these questions, and aren't going to be serious about training, any weight you do put on while taking steroids will come straight back off again when you stop.

THe guys here have already said it tho, train hard for at least another 2-3 years and you'll put on the weight easily enough. Eat lots, train hard and you won't have any problems gaining weight for a good few years.

[scarmenprout]

I don't know about exact calories, but I'm far over my "ideal one" (that's not very important because of bulking and ectomorphisme lol)

I try to have a 40/40/20, I'm probably running over 250g of protein/day

I train one muscle groupe each day, 5 train/week. I'm following MAX-OT trainning

I'll take multi vitamins, creatine mono, Whey protein, and BCAA


Well, I'll probably try this without any other "boost" if you tell so