About to begin cycle

[Reinheart]

Hello people. I am about to start a M1T cycle along with creatine, hmb,ecdy-sterone and methoxy. Liver protection and a good multivitamin are in too. I was wondering if i can add another mild steroid in. I was thinking of anavar. I know two orals are too much but anavar is relatively safe, maybe to the point M1T is more hepatoxic.

I should normally run M1T for 4-6 weeks starting at 10mgs ed for the first week (and the last) and up the dose up too 20mgs ed for weeks 2-5.

For those who doubt hmb and it's effectiveness, i can tell you for sure it has helped me gain a couple good pounds and upped my measurments quite a bit.

Anywayz, any suggestions?

[Reinheart]

Anyone???........................

[HDH]

How about a good ole Test and Deca cycle with a kick-start

HDH

[jasthace]

I've found HMB to be effective in elevating joint pain in the shoulders due to frequent heavy
bench pressing{aching joints in bed at nights},it also helped me increase my bench press before I come back to roids.

[BILLYGRINGO]

Sounds good to me, I will say although you may want to up your overall lift weight, take it slow M1T will give you some freaky strength gains quick and you could injure yourself

good luck post with results

gringo

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by HDH

How about a good ole Test and Deca cycle with a kick-start

HDH

I would love to, but i'm going to be tested soon bro and i wouldn't like to get disqualified.
Hey Billy, does it ever make you lethargic or does it ever gives you headaches?
Yeah, hmb is awesome especially when combined with creatine spreaded out 3 times trough the day. A morning dose, a post-workout dose and before going to bed. Ecdysterone and methoxy will be taken post-workout and before going to bed as well. It delivers very very good results for a natural stack.

Anyways, i'll probably start my pct the last week on and it's based on 6-OXO, tribulus and ZMA.

It looks like this: 300mgs 6-OXO, 1500mgs Tribulus and a serving of Zma before bedtime.

Thanks for the info!

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by jasthace

I've found HMB to be effective in elevating joint pain in the shoulders due to frequent heavy
bench pressing{aching joints in bed at nights},it also helped me increase my bench press before I come back to roids.

How much were you taking by the way? 3 grams ed gave me amazing and very keepable results.

[jasthace]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

How much were you taking by the way? 3 grams ed gave me amazing and very keepable results.

It was a few years ago now....from memory I was taking the maximum recommended daily dose,which was about 2-3 500mg tbs three times a day.
I brought 2 bottles initially and was beginning to see pleasing results, so I brought another two before the second bottle run out.
Aching joints at night can interrupt sleep, which is an annoyance.
I did experience reasonable strength gains,probably due to the proclaimed anti-catabolic effect.
My strength had reached a plateau before the HMB use.
I was pleased with the supplement,but it was expensive,I think around $200 NZD for the 4 bottles,but is cheaper now days.

[solo47]

[cut 'n paste from "BodyBuildingForYou" forum]

M1T FAQ
Methyl-1-testosterone FAQ
Version 1.2
10/6/2004

by RRAdam

If you would like to see anything added/edited let me know.

rradam@cyber-rights.net

Read the Prohormone FAQ HERE first.

1. What is methyl-1testosterone?

Well, the simple answer is that it is 1-testosterone with a 17aa methylation. To go more in depth, I will explain what 1-testosterone is.

1-testosterone is a bit of a misnomer, in that, it isn’t directly related to testosterone; while they share similar characteristics chemically speaking, 1-testosterone is more closely related to boldenone (equipoise). In fact, 1-testosterone is the 5-alpha reduced version of boldenone (the same thing that turns testosterone into DHT - causing prostate and hair loss issues, among other androgenic side effects.) However, boldenone isn’t as androgenic as testosterone, so its 5alpha-reduced version isn’t as androgenic as dht, though it does seem to be more active than dht. Technically, 1-testosterone is really dihydroboldenone (dhb). This makes it very similar to primobolan and stenbolone, in that both primobolan and stenbolone are DHB with a 1-methyl and 2-methyl group attached, to make it more orally bioavailable.

2. Ok, so 1-test is really dhb, so what about m1t?

Well, when you add a 17alpha-alkylation to boldenone, you get the popular steroid dianabol (methandrostenolone). So adding the 17aa to 1-testosterone would make m1t the 5alpha reduced version of dbol, which is actually more potent and active than dbol itself. Since dbol does not bind well to the 5alpha reductase enzyme, there is a rather small amount of dbol converted into m1t.

3. Does m1t convert into estrogen?

No, the fact that it is 5alpha reduced prevents this.

4. So that means I can't get gyno from m1t.

No, gyno is a rather common side effect of m1t, while the 5alpha reduction should prevent the aromatization into estrogen; no studies have shown this to be the case. It is more likely that m1t gyno is progesterone or prolactin induced. Nolvadex should still help prevent/alleviate any gyno symptoms. Supplementation with vitamin B6 @ 300mg a day may also prove useful.

5. Will m1t make my hair fall out?

It can - m1t is very androgenic, which can lead to many androgenic side effects such as acceleration of male pattern baldness, benign prostate hypertrophy, acne, and aggression. Finasteride (propecia) would have no effect on this; the only solution would to use a topical agent such as spironolactone, minoxodil, azelaic acid, or nizoral shampoo.

6. Are there any other side effects?

Yes, many people report bad bloating from m1t - the cause is unknown, but I could speculate that it is due to progesteronic activity. Many others report moderate to severe back cramping/tightness. Supplementation with taurine and potassium can help alleviate this side effect. Shut down of the HPTA is severe with m1t, so using testosterone or 4ad along with m1t would be advisable to prevent loss of libido. HCG would also be recommended during the cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. Lethargy is another side effect of m1t, the cause of this is unknown, but it is often reported. High blood pressure is one other major side effect of m1t. The increase in bp often causes headaches. Supplementation with hawthorn berry, garlic and/or celery extract should help alleviate some of these sides. M1t is 17alpha-alkylated, making it very harsh on the liver, so ideally your liver values should be checked before, during and after the cycle. Supplementation with alpha lipoic acid and milk thistle can help prevent liver damage. Other methylated substances SHOULD NOT be taken concurrently with m1t.

7. This stuff sounds nasty, why would anyone take it?

Well, because it is a very potent mass builder. It is without a doubt the most potent legal mass builder out there. So some people will risk the sides, to get big.

8. Is 6oxo enough for pct?

No, you should pct with nolva or clomid. 6oxo simply won’t cut it.

9. How do I cycle this stuff?

Well, it is recommended you run some form of compound that will convert to testosterone or testosterone itself. Here is the most common m1t stack:

Weeks 1-2 10mg m1t, 400-600mg 4ad (transdermally) (1500mg orally) a day

weeks 3-4 400-600mg 4ad (transdermally) (1500mg orally) a day * Note, some people run pct during these weeks, but it is likely not a good idea, since you wont have time to fully recover, and will just be shut down again soon.

Weeks 5-6 10mg m1t, 400-600mg 4ad (transdermally) (1500mg orally) a day

pct - nolva 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks) or clomid (3 weeks) 300 day one, 100 10 days, 50 10 days.

10. What is the half life of m1t?

Well, the active life is speculated to be around 12 hours. Though, I believe it to be at least 48 hours. There have been no tests to my knowledge to confirm or deny one way or the other, but from personal experience, m1t seems to last a couple days after your last dosage. Also, one could speculate that since m1t is a dbol derivative, its active life would be similar – around 9 hours or so. So this is definitely up in the air.

11.Will I lose all my gains after a cycle?

Not if you do proper pct and continue to train and eat properly after your cycle. Though, you will probably lose a few pounds of water after your cycle, this is expected.


12. What are the reccomended dosages?

Most people should start off with 10mg a day. Listen to your body and adjust the dosages as you see fit. The dosage should never exceed 20mg a day, unless liver values are closely monitored. Dosages of 40mg are not unheard of, but not recommended.

13. How long can I run m1t?

Most people prefer the 2on/2off/2on routine, but you could run it for 4 weeks straight. It should not be taken for more than 6 weeks straight.

14. How much can I gain on m1t?

If your diet and workout is in check, you could gain up to 20lbs in 4 weeks. The results will vary, but 10-20lbs is the most common. Keep in mind that some of this weight is likely water, and will probably be lost in pct – the lean gains should be kept though.

15. Can I run m1t with my cutting cycle?

You can – though m1t builds mass very well and quickly, so it is better suited for bulking, but remember, diet determines whether you cut or bulk. .

[Reinheart]

Very good post solo but i think that dude is pushing it a little bit. As he said, it can't convert into estrogen so bloat and gyno are not an issue. I know a lot of people that use it and the only side effect they usually experience is lethargy and some pretty bad headaches when the dose is over 20mgs for a prolonged period of time.

One of them did pct just with tribulus and lost all the gains he made while a different person did pct with 6-OXO, starting at 600mgs ed and he is absolutely fine. Lethargy can usually be avoided with the addition of 4-AD but i'm not really sure about that nor i know what causes it.

Regarding the shutdown, i agree. It can be quite severe. Strength gains are amazing and sometimes pumps can be painful. Strangely ,no one ever reported acne or hair loss while on it.

Personally i believe it has the same potency as injectable testosterones have but it can't be used to show it's full potential due to the toxicity it causes. It also has a few days detection rate while injectables have 3-4 months and that's beneficial for someone who gets tested regularly.

Sex drive goes through the roof while on it, it doesn't disappear.

Overall, lovely stuff if you're cautious and mature enough to use it and probably much safer than a-drol and d-bol. It can be good as a frontload drug as well!