Advice when to use t3 and clen in a AAS cycle

[Stormbringer]

Want some info on when to incorporate a T3 Clen stack in to a dieting cycle for a show. Show is still 16 weeks out but I have been on a heavy estrogenic cycle for a while. Going to switch over to a more cutting AAS cycle in 4 weeks. Any thoughts and what is the most effective way to run this? Do I need Benadryls, Keto? Should I cycle ECAY stack with it? Also, Any thoughts on when to run anti estrogenics, for water and esto build up? I have also been reading about people using T3 during cycles off and on throughout the year to increase metabolism and energy. Any thoughts on this?

[TheBeat]

Originally Posted by Stormbringer

Want some info on when to incorporate a T3 Clen stack in to a dieting cycle for a show. Show is still 16 weeks out but I have been on a heavy estrogenic cycle for a while. Going to switch over to a more cutting AAS cycle in 4 weeks. Any thoughts and what is the most effective way to run this? Do I need Benadryls, Keto? Should I cycle ECAY stack with it? Also, Any thoughts on when to run anti estrogenics, for water and esto build up? I have also been reading about people using T3 during cycles off and on throughout the year to increase metabolism and energy. Any thoughts on this?

A lot to answer here and a lot really is individual, but I'll give my best advice/opinion.

Going to switch over to a more cutting AAS cycle in 4 weeks. Any thoughts and what is the most effective way to run this?

Generally most people switch to faster acting esters i.e. Propionate as some/most tend to hold more water on the longer-esters, myself included. Their are at two other recent threads regarding what AAS to take. What I would personally do is switch to: TEST PROP, TREN ACE, MASTERON, DBOL as far as AAS goes and that's exactly what'd I do; I'd suggest that or maybe ANAVAR and/or WINSTROL instead of the MASTERON depending on how they effect you, otherwise the original I feel is best. The last 2-4 weeks I'd drop the DBOL and maybe replace it with HALO. Some people also replace the TEST PROP at this time with SUSPENSION, but personally would find that unnecassary in my experience (though I've never been down to <7%BF.) Depending on what your taking and and the doses and the doses you are going to run will effect a little on how exactly to make the switch.

Want some info on when to incorporate a T3 Clen stack in to a dieting cycle for a show. Do I need Benadryls, Keto? Should I cycle ECAY stack with it?

I'd start the T3 when you switch cycles - 12 weeks out and run it at 50mcg/day and increase only if not getting the results you want on a weekly basis. People run T3 too high because they think that 100mcg is twice as good as 50mcg - not true. Doubling your T3 does not double your fat loss, not even close, but does double possible sides and enevitable sides like muscle weakness, tireness, etc. - Not things you want on a contest diet as you need your energy. The Clen is really subjective to the person, I like to run it 1 week on, 1 week off and use a 3 week blast at the end, so I would personally run it on weeks 2,4,6,8,10-12. I'd use benedryl if you want to run it for longer blasts as Ketotifen can cause extreme drozziness (it does for me) and again is not something you want during your diet.

Any thoughts on when to run anti estrogenics, for water and esto build up?

Yeah, you should always control estrogen - cutting or not. Not the way most people do or recommend, but maintain it from getting too high or too low. During your contest prep the most important time is the last 4 weeks. So I would control it the entire time and bring it very low for the last 2-4 weeks. By changing your cycle you are already do most of the controlling depending on your doses, but a good starting point would be Arimidex at .25mg EOD-ED and increase it to 1mg perday for the last two weeks. This time would be one time I would recommend Letrozole though instead and run the doses at 1/4tab EOD and increase the last 3 weeks to 1/4tab,1/4tab,1/2tab,1/2tab,1tab,1tab,1tab 3 weeks out and continue until your contest then taper down to 1/4 EOD quickly and then start adding days between until you reach 5 days between and then stop.

I have also been reading about people using T3 during cycles off and on throughout the year to increase metabolism and energy. Any thoughts on this?

Though this does not have much to do with your situation, I know two people really close that run it at 6 weeks on 4 weeks off at lower doses like 25-50mcg with no problems and another person that runs it for 8 months at 25mcg, again with no problems. Not recommending this per se, but show that reasonable doses and cycles are fairly safe for most people - they also have a very good diet, exercise and nutrition program in place though as these all have a almost greater effect than the drug itself.

[Stormbringer]

Beat, holy cow teets bro! Thanks! This will take me a while to absorb and is sort of inline with what I have planned. Let me review and I will post up some questions.

[Stormbringer]

Beat, as far as the first part goes regarding my cutting / diet cycle, I am a little confused about one part but before I get to that, why dont I tell you what I am on now:
Just came off (16wks) 1000mg of Test E a week and switched to 250 ml Sust EOD for next four weeks. I do not hold water like some people anyway, but even less on Sustanon (has a hardening effect more on me) then Cyp or Enan. Everything else the same till I get to 12 wks out.
30mg D bol 2 times a day
300 ml EQ 2 xs a wk
50 mg Proviron a day

Plan to start at 12 weeks out til about 2 wks out:
Tren Enanthate 300ml 2xs a week
Winstrol inj 100ml EOD
This is what I am not sure about. I keep reading people recommending dieting on long esther Test which I have never heard of. I was going to give it a shot by staying on the Sustanon EOD till about 6 weeks till the show. But now I am thinking that might be risky. Maybe I should switch over to Prop. Also, what do you think of my Tren dosage? I have used Tren for years and love it. I usually use Tren A but have used Tren E like this before and have had good results. What else would you do or change. I have access to about everything except HGH and IGF?

[Stormbringer]

As far as the T3 goes, I will start this along with whatever cycle I come up with from above. Should I take the 50mcg at the same time and is there a preferred time like in the AM, after first meal etc...etc...?

I function well on the ECAY stack, well at leat did last year, would you recommend running that between weeks of Clen use? Clen and ECAY I have used, never tried T3.

[TheBeat]

Originally Posted by Stormbringer

Plan to start at 12 weeks out til about 2 wks out:
Tren Enanthate 300ml 2xs a week
Winstrol inj 100ml EOD
This is what I am not sure about. I keep reading people recommending dieting on long esther Test which I have never heard of. I was going to give it a shot by staying on the Sustanon EOD till about 6 weeks till the show. But now I am thinking that might be risky. Maybe I should switch over to Prop. Also, what do you think of my Tren dosage? I have used Tren for years and love it. I usually use Tren A but have used Tren E like this before and have had good results. What else would you do or change. I have access to about everything except HGH and IGF?

I'd keep some test in there, not just for the sexual effects, but just Tren and Winstrol will not give you that full look. Just lower your dose to something like 500mg/week. The Tren dose should be fine and honestly if you have use it, you should know better than me if it will work for you, it would seem rather high to me, but then again you are talking about no Test or moderate Test with it. I'd really not use the Winstrol for the entire time, but maybe just the like 4-6. One option would be to swop the Winstrol for Masteron and that would take care of any sexual issues without Test for most people, and add Winstrol at 4 weeks out and maybe drop any test at 2 and add Halo. With the AAS and dosages you are talking about very little anti-E would actually be needed, for me with 500mg test added to your stack 1/4tab letro EOD would be more than enough. I've got a pretty good idea what I would do exactly in your shoes, PM me if your interested and I'll get back with you when I have time.

As far as the T3 goes, I will start this along with whatever cycle I come up with from above. Should I take the 50mcg at the same time and is there a preferred time like in the AM, after first meal etc...etc...?

I function well on the ECAY stack, well at leat did last year, would you recommend running that between weeks of Clen use? Clen and ECAY I have used, never tried T3.

Even with T3's long half-life I like to split the dose into AM/PM, but taking just in the AM would be fine.

I would not use the ECAY stake between the Clen, give your receptors and body a chance to rest during this period. My girl likes to take the Y part on her off weeks along with other things, just not any beta-2 antagonist. I really do not think that it will make much difference in fat loss either way as not allowing the receptors to fully recover and u-methylize will happer loses slightly, while the loses would be slightly more allowing them to. If you had money running on this I might come up with something different.

[Stormbringer]

Beat, thanks again. I definitely plan to keep some form of test in there, just was not sure about the long acting. I do have plenty of Masteron also so I like where you are going with this. I will PM you.

[Stormbringer]

I am a little lost on the Letrozole taper, At some point I am going to have some questions about that. Going to surf the boards right now to read up on it. Any good reccos on where to buy that cheap and I will not have the halotestin. Any other suggestions?