All Oral 4Weeks On 4 Weeks Off

[Big Wes]

All Oral 4Weeks On 4 Weeks Off

I know how every body feels about an all oral cycle. but after reading all the threads and yet not getting a logical explanation that satisfies my mind, I still search for the truth. First off I am not new to taking steroids, I am currently 5,8 232lbs 20% body fat. I have competed in several contest with my best placing Winning Mr. Michigan in 1991. I have been taking steroids for over six years on and off with great results. Using Test, front loaded with an oral for 4 weeks, just about every cycle, for about 10 weeks at a time. followed with HCG, Clomid, Nolvadex. even with all this PCT I still lost alot of my hard earned muscle. For my past two cycles I wanted to experiment with differant concepts. trying to gain as much muscle as I could without so much inhabition of my natural test. I tried a four week cycle with only 40mg of turanabol and 10mg of dianabol totaling 50mg of orals per day. With nolvadex the whole time and for 3 weeks after the cycle. the results were great gained 15 lbs of muscle kept 8lbs of it after being off five weeks. The reason logicly is simple because the orals were out of my system alot faster than the test I used to take. I was able to bring my natural test levels back quickly resulting in less muscle loss. for now on this is the only cycle I will do. This is the same thing alot of the pros did in the seventees with good results.

[youngBuilder]

I completely disagree. I like the idea though: fast in, fast out with little effect on HPTA = more retained mass.

But, 4 weeks is over the mark for being shut down, especially with an oral. Also, with 4 on, 4 off, you are taking an oral for 6 months out of every year - i know hepatoxicity might be a little exaggerated, but i think thats overdoing it.

Check this out: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...e-study-01.htm

I did a short cycle like the one in the artice (prop/var) gained 6-7 pounds and kept it all. Strength was good too. Best part, it was only 2 weeks.

Just some food for thought. Do what works for you i guess.

[elgaringo]

Yeah the idea of 4 on 4 off with good results sounds great. iIts just a shame orals are bad for your organs.

[youngBuilder]

Originally Posted by elgaringo

Yeah the idea of 4 on 4 off with good results sounds great. iIts just a shame orals are bad for your organs.

Why not use test prop for 4 weeks? Test is king for mass gains anyway. but i think 4 weeks off isnt enough time. i think 6 is better.

[Big Wes]

I figured the four weeks off would give enough time for liver enzymes to normalize. Figuring being on only 4weeks would not be very toxic to the liver to begin with. If this were the case most of the bodybuilders of the seventies would be dead considering the dominate steroid at that time was Dianabol.

[Big_paul]

I get my results when stacking class 1 steroids with class 2. test and dbol for example. Since theres not much solid info out there for us we get to learn from trial and error. I say use test or deca along with the oral aas. thats just my 2 cents.

[PreMier]

If I were to do a short cycle it would be Test Prop for 6 weeks and OT or Anavar...then 6 weeks off. The 4 week cycle might be ok for a first cycle as long as test prop was added. Over time only taking 4 weeks off will really fuck up your body.....been there done that.

[gixxerboy]

Well first off you must be doing something wrong if after pct you lost all your gains everytime. not sure what the problem is but something has to be off.

As far as the 4 on 4 off. If you are doing everything else the same as you were doing before and not loosing everything i think this is why. You arent off long enough. How much are you going to loose in 4 weeks? you did loose 7lbs. i bet if you stayed off for a longer period you would have lost more. It seems just as you are starting to loose your gains for what ever reason you are just jumping back on.

I would look into the reason why you loose your gain after a cycle. If you train and eat right it shouldnt happen.

[mr.nitro]

what not just stay on testosterone year round?

[MANWHORE]

Experiment my brother .. That is the only way to tell what is best for you and liver toxicity is very much overexaggerated 4 weeks being not even enough time to even think about it being a problem .. UNLESS you have problems already but that goes without saying ... I was just messing with my Dbol .. made them about 22mg ea cap and was taking 1 in morning before gym and one right after work about 5pm .. I gained 7 lbs in 5 days but i did eat alot more just pretty much eating Micky Ds and lot's of sweets just to gain so was that also which gave me extra weight .. I just can't stay eating like that so i stopped it and just looking for strength now and staying with my tight hard muscular body as i am pretty happy with it .. Have to go watch movie with wife and this hasn't happened in a while .. used to do it every night but with baby and everything else we don't spend much time together anymore... kind of miss it sometimes ... well talk later .. PEACE

[Big Wes]

Originally Posted by gixxerboy

Well first off you must be doing something wrong if after pct you lost all your gains everytime. not sure what the problem is but something has to be off.

As far as the 4 on 4 off. If you are doing everything else the same as you were doing before and not loosing everything i think this is why. You arent off long enough. How much are you going to loose in 4 weeks? you did loose 7lbs. i bet if you stayed off for a longer period you would have lost more. It seems just as you are starting to loose your gains for what ever reason you are just jumping back on.

I would look into the reason why you loose your gain after a cycle. If you train and eat right it shouldnt happen.

First off I never said I lose all my gains. Of course I keep some muscle on every cycle I have ever done. This is not my first rodeo. As I said I have been doing this for six years. I love Test it's what I have always done. But At the level I'm at I cant grow on anything less than a gram per week of Test. which gets very expensive. Not including the rest of the shit I have to take just to step on stage to compete. I have seen more guys blow up like balloons on test, and deflate just as fast as they blew up look at Flex Wheeler. if you want a good example. Test is far from flawless. As far as starting another cycle in 4weeks You have to remember the orals I take are out of my system in two days. And the inhibition to my natural test is far less than doing a 10 week cycle of lets say test. Which is very suppresive. Hence the reason why I tried this cycle. The cost was half, the keepable gains were the same at my level, with less steroids. I have a DR. who checks my blood once a month, liver values were slightly elevated but were back to normal in two weeks. The Dr. also thought this could be caused by my diet. And at no time was there any cause for alarm. As you can see why would I not do this cycle.

Thank You Manwhore.

[MANWHORE]

Test cost me $1.20/Gram and that is for 98.5% pure .. more potent than most out there .. With most being 95.5 to 96% pure .. BUT i don't like Test and rarerly use it in my cycles. ..

[Big Wes]

ManWhore,

Have you ever used Turanabol? Great steroid, awesome pumps lean gains.

[gixxerboy]

ok 2 things dont make sense to me. You cant grow unless you take a grams of test but you can grow on a combined 50mg of oral? I know everybody is different but thats hard to believe. I have friends that tare in the nationals. most of the time they do more than a gram. But i know for a fact they do less at times and still grow.

Second you have been doing this for 6 years but won a competition 15 years ago?

[Big Wes]

It was a natural competition. To answer your second question Have you ever taken 50mg of d-bol per day for six weeks. I garrantee if you take 1000mg of Test for six weeks. The Test won't hold a candle as far as gains to the D-bol at only 350mg per week.or 50mg per day. If I really have to tell you this you should do more research, and educate yourself before you question my integrity.