AAS without lifting weights before rant

[hardcharger]

Ok, so i work with a lot of guys who just went through special forces training and are trying to bulk up. they haven't lifted weights in over a year. all they've done is run and swim. so they come to me asking what gear they should take. I tell them to just get in the gym, and take a decent supplement stack (prot, creat, glut, etc). and they will gain a lot of weight, and then when they start to plateau to come talk to me. but thats not what they want to hear. why can't people believe that you can gain weight naturally and AAS isn't always the best way to go about it (at first).

[stevemac]

Originally Posted by hardcharger

Ok, so i work with a lot of guys who just went through special forces training and are trying to bulk up. they haven't lifted weights in over a year. all they've done is run and swim. so they come to me asking what gear they should take. I tell them to just get in the gym, and take a decent supplement stack (prot, creat, glut, etc). and they will gain a lot of weight, and then when they start to plateau to come talk to me. but thats not what they want to hear. why can't people believe that you can gain weight naturally and AAS isn't always the best way to go about it (at first).

everyone wants the fast easy way, but it's their body they fuck up in the end. I swear 90% of AAs users at the gym have no idea what pct is.

[mr.nitro]

if people didn't want an easy way out there would be no such thing as weight loss surgrey. its sickening

[mxim]

thats not a smart move. they should diet and train for at least 2 months. however,some guys are thick headed and there is no talking to them.

[mrc0703]

Originally Posted by mxim

thats not a smart move. they should diet and train for at least 2 months. however,some guys are thick headed and there is no talking to them.

lol thats it 2 months

[jasthace]

I concur,you can put alot of weight a strength on with over the counter supps. and a good diet and training regime.

[hardcharger]

my first cycle, I didn't do until I was about 20 and had been lifting for a good six years and had started to plateau. a little deca, sust, winny stack later no more plateau. but i also took the propper anit e's etc, and watched my diet. I also had a doctor at school who kept a discrete watch on me. god I love college athletics lol. I'm 23 now surrounded by kids straight out of high school and coming into the military with no weight lifting experience and they have no idea what they could gain simply through a solid training program.

[Conciliator]

If they want steroids so bad, why not just get them on something simple and safe like test (plus proper PCT) so they can get bigger, yet not have to train? You know, if they don't want to train, then why have them get a bunch of training experience? They can just get bigger on steroids without doing the part they're not interested in.

[stevemac]

Originally Posted by Conciliator

If they want steroids so bad, why not just get them on something simple and safe like test (plus proper PCT) so they can get bigger, yet not have to train? You know, if they don't want to train, then why have them get a bunch of training experience? They can just get bigger on steroids without doing the part they're not interested in.

or they could just try eating

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by stevemac

or they could just try eating

Generally, people just get fat if they start eating a lot, especially if they're not training... that's why getting them on steroids would be important. They could limit fat gain while putting on muscle, yet not have to work out like they don't want to. What's wrong with that? Why rant about them not lifting weights if they don't want to?

[hardcharger]

my rant isn't so much for the people who want to just get big and not work out. they are goin to lift just they won't listen to me about working out for a while before using. I'm trying to explain the whole natural gains thing and they just don't get it that when you work out you will get bigger especially if you never lifted for mass before.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by hardcharger

my rant isn't so much for the people who want to just get big and not work out. they are goin to lift just they won't listen to me about working out for a while before using. I'm trying to explain the whole natural gains thing and they just don't get it that when you work out you will get bigger especially if you never lifted for mass before.

But won't they get much bigger if they're on steroids? why wait?

[hardcharger]

thats not true. the people who come out of our training and get back in the gym without the help of gear tend to put on 15-20 pounds in like two months just because their bodies actually have a chance to heal instead of being beat down the next day. my point is just to get the most out of the effects of AAS I believe you should get your body to a pretty good starting block to build on. yeah I could give my guys some deca, winny, test, dbol whatever and they will gain the same amount of weight that they would've without. if they do it naturally for a while when they start to slow down and then use, they will see the real affects. when i was in college all my buddies used to use and get stronger/bigger but they didn't give themselves a chance to build them selves up first. so while they got a little stronger then me, and a little bigger on gear. i just kept hittin the gym until I started to have a hard time getting gains in body weight and strength. then when i used gear i gained 20 pounds my bench jumped 60 pounds, squat 80, and i was by far stronger then anyof them. thats just my thought, and theory.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by hardcharger

thats not true. the people who come out of our training and get back in the gym without the help of gear tend to put on 15-20 pounds in like two months just because their bodies actually have a chance to heal instead of being beat down the next day. my point is just to get the most out of the effects of AAS I believe you should get your body to a pretty good starting block to build on. yeah I could give my guys some deca, winny, test, dbol whatever and they will gain the same amount of weight that they would've without. if they do it naturally for a while when they start to slow down and then use, they will see the real affects. when i was in college all my buddies used to use and get stronger/bigger but they didn't give themselves a chance to build them selves up first. so while they got a little stronger then me, and a little bigger on gear. i just kept hittin the gym until I started to have a hard time getting gains in body weight and strength. then when i used gear i gained 20 pounds my bench jumped 60 pounds, squat 80, and i was by far stronger then anyof them. thats just my thought, and theory.

Wait, let me make sure I'm getting this right... You're saying that
1) newbies will not get a lot bigger with steroids than without them?
2) your newbie friends 'tend' to put on two pounds a week, naturally?
3) to get the most from AAS you need to already have built up your body?
4) giving your guys "deca, winny, test, dbol" will have the same results as not giving them to your guys?
5) They'll see the "real" effects if they use steroids after natural gains have slowed down?

Maybe it's just me, but this sounds pretty silly. 1) Anyone will get a lot bigger with steroids than without them... 2) Naturals don't 'tend' to put on two pounds a week... a few dedicated ones do, but they're doing good if only half of it is fat... 3) The further you are from your genetic potential, the more you'll get out of AAS... 4) are you joking? of course giving them anabolics will change things drastically... and 5) Won't they see the "real" effects as a newbie when they can put on even more mass than a trained individual?

[hardcharger]

Ok this is why I say this, these guys just went through special forces training. your body is beat the fuck up. everybody I know who hits the weights after finishing puts on between 15-20 pounds, naturally. and they put it on FAST. just because of the fact that their bodies get a chance to heal. Now I know you could take gear when you first start and gain 30-40 pounds but it wouldn't be healthy for these guys right now. their muscles are seriously burnt the fuck up. This is not a generic generalization made about all newbies. just these guys. It would be healthier for their bodies to get used to lifting weights and recovering first before goin full bore with gear. even just a month or two. It takes over a year just to recover from all the ruck humps, sleep deprivation, pt's, beatings etc. SF beats you the fuck up. that is why I tell these guys to hold off. yeah they'll see drastic gains, I KNOW. If these gusy were kids out of high school playing sports then I would give them a good cycle and send them on their marry way. but these guy's tendons, ligaments etc won't be able to handle it when they go and try to do the stuff they do for a living. I've seen guys blow knees, ankles, leave the service cause of joint injuries.