Analyze this ster cycle

[Srachi]

Hi
Im about to make steroid cycle,my first one.I have at my hand 10 ampules of sutanon,plently of naposim-dianabol,3 boxes of andriol,nolvadex plently,hcg plently,proviron 4 box.In this 2 month cycle i dont want to bulck...to put many muscle mass,i just want in the first month maybe to put 3 kg on me and the 2nd to maintaign what i have put on me and to cut some fat.I dont want to be huge justa to look good.So can you people look at my cycle bellow and tell me what you think about it,to give me some advice's if i something do wrong.

Susta 250mg/week ....week 1-4
Susta 375mg/week ....week 4-8
Naposim 30mg/day ....week 1-4
Andriol 6 tabs/day ....week 4-8

As i have heard nolvadex hinder some gains,so what would be best anti estrogen to use in the cycle among the sters?Should i take proviron as an anti aromatise or nolva as an estrogen blocker?For this cycle how many mgs of nolva or proviron should i take,i just dont want problem with bloating and gyno(i allready have some puffy niples from the ages of puberty)

And after the cycle my p.c.t. how it should look?I thought after 2 weeks after my last susta shot i will take nolva,hcg and proviron.
Proviron 25mg/day ....week 1-4
Nolva 10mg/day ....week 1-4
HCG 3000 u.i./week ..week 2-4

How this cycle sound?Any help and comment is very welcomed

[jasthace]

Looks like a sufficient litle cycle.Why don't you just run the dbol for 8 weeks,
I've found the androil{test undec.} to be useless.
I've brought it a couple of times and did'nt feel anything.Maybe because it is a long ester and before it has time to do anything is destroyed by the liver? Have you used it to any effect before?
I like the proviron in the PCT.Others may suggest Aramidex but I'm not a PCT guru.
Are you just going to inject the HCG at x1 shot of 3000iu a week?

[Srachi]

I have never used andriol before,some say you cant put more on it but whats coming is just quality musscle.I dont have acces on Arimidex.Hcg 2 shot of 1500 /week is better i think than 1 shot of 3000 u.i

[Big_paul]

bump up the test from 250. I use 500mg a week minimum. The dbol is ok at 35mg ed, but 50 is better. Use arimidex at 0.25-0.50 mg eod.good luck with you cycle bro. Bp

[bg65]

You are running test and dbol and don't want to bulk up? that combo should add 3kg in the first several wks. If you do not want to bloat on that cycle you need to run adex or femara. You only want to gain 6.6lbs and you are worried about nolva inhibiting your gains? 50mg/day of dbol is a bit high in my opinion, especially if you think you are going to run it for 8wks. Also, you should not run HCG at the end of your PCT. Actually, your PCT is pretty jacked. You should read Phreezer's sticky on PCT. There is no need to ramp the dose of the test, just start out at whatever dose you want to take and maintain that throughout.

[solo47]

Proviron is helpful during cycle, but cannot be used for PCT. It's an androgen, after all, just a weaker one. It'd be like curing your vodka hangover with bottles of beer. All the other advice is good. You mean to bulk up for four weeks then cut your bulk for another four? Good plan. Good luck. You may be expecting too much too soon.

You need to read the stickies above for cycle & PCT information.

Solo

[Srachi]

Why it wont be good to run hcg at the end of pct??Solo you say i need to read the sticky's about pct but you are not well informed if you say proviron in pct is not used.Vodka hangover can be cured with some botles of beer too.I dont have acces at arimidex or femara.Anti estrogens just nolva and proviron i do have access.

[bg65]

HCG should only be at the beginning of PCT. HCG is used to mimic LH and "wake" your testes up. The nolva or clomid is then used to raise your natural levels of LH. Use of HCG at the end of PCT would actually be inhibitory to your body's production of LH, probably undoing the work of the nolva. HCG does not do anything to get the natural flow of chemicals going in your HPTA. It only mimics one of the chemicals (LH). Also, your dose of nolva is too low.
And, the use of proviron during PCT is debatable. I think that most would agree it is best to leave it out.

[Srachi]

bg65 thanks enlighten me about hcg,ill take it then in the beggining of the pct every day 500 ui for 10 days like i have read on the stickys among nolva and continue to take nolva for 3 more weeks at 20 mgs/day.One more question...its not bether to take proviron in the time of the cycle as an anti e?At the end of the cycle ill not have eleveted levels of estrogen because proviron is anti aromatiser not estrogen receptor blocker like nolva..

[bg65]

Originally Posted by Srachi

bg65 thanks enlighten me about hcg,ill take it then in the beggining of the pct every day 500 ui for 10 days like i have read on the stickys among nolva and continue to take nolva for 3 more weeks at 20 mgs/day.One more question...its not bether to take proviron in the time of the cycle as an anti e?At the end of the cycle ill not have eleveted levels of estrogen because proviron is anti aromatiser not estrogen receptor blocker like nolva..

I'm sorry bro, I don't really understand your question. Proviron has some function as an anti-aromatase whereas nolva only blocks E. I would recommend taking proviron during the cycle to help control the build up of E, especially if you are trying to cut.

[PreMier]

Originally Posted by Srachi

Hi
Im about to make steroid cycle,my first one.I have at my hand 10 ampules of sutanon,plently of naposim-dianabol,3 boxes of andriol,nolvadex plently,hcg plently,proviron 4 box.In this 2 month cycle i dont want to bulck...to put many muscle mass,i just want in the first month maybe to put 3 kg on me and the 2nd to maintaign what i have put on me and to cut some fat.I dont want to be huge justa to look good.So can you people look at my cycle bellow and tell me what you think about it,to give me some advice's if i something do wrong.

Susta 250mg/week ....week 1-4
Susta 375mg/week ....week 4-8
Naposim 30mg/day ....week 1-4
Andriol 6 tabs/day ....week 4-8

As i have heard nolvadex hinder some gains,so what would be best anti estrogen to use in the cycle among the sters?Should i take proviron as an anti aromatise or nolva as an estrogen blocker?For this cycle how many mgs of nolva or proviron should i take,i just dont want problem with bloating and gyno(i allready have some puffy niples from the ages of puberty)

And after the cycle my p.c.t. how it should look?I thought after 2 weeks after my last susta shot i will take nolva,hcg and proviron.
Proviron 25mg/day ....week 1-4
Nolva 10mg/day ....week 1-4
HCG 3000 u.i./week ..week 2-4

How this cycle sound?Any help and comment is very welcomed

That cycle is terrible

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[Srachi]

Im 28 years,i have trained on and off for many years,im 86 kgs with some belly(im not fat but not lean either)

[solo47]

Originally Posted by Srachi

Solo you say i need to read the sticky's about pct but you are not well informed if you say proviron in pct is not used.

It may used by some but androgens won't help you recover from androgens. Still, having a fondness for Provi & considering their mild androgenic & aromatize-preventing nature, it makes sense to me to continue taking them (50 -100 mgs per day) after your last shot (perhaps along with HCG), but quitting on the day you begin your clom-nolva regimen. Smooth the transition.

Originally Posted by Srachi

Vodka hangover can be cured with some botles of beer too.

You're either kidding yourself, you're Russian, or both. You're not curing a hangover that way, you're just postponing it. Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Solo

[bg65]

I like to keep proviron on hand during PCT so that if the need arises for some androgens to be in my system (i.e., sex ) I can just pop a proviron and I'll be good to go. Even though it does not aromatize, I would think that it certainly couldn't help with HPTA recovery.

[Srachi]

Solo - Im not russian but were not so far...im a romanian....neighbour country with russia .I dont know the word postponing but im sure im feeling better if i drin a feew beers when im in a hangover.

Yes i know prov wouldnt help with hpta recovery but its is good for not loosing sex drive after the cycle right?Ill use it for that.As for tthe rest of the pct i will use 20 mgs of nolva not 10 for 5 weeks and hcg i will take in the beggining of the pct not at the end.10 days every day 500 ui......sounds better this pct?